20/40 - Huge laydown with a flopped flush. Foolish?

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20/40 game. A bit loose. A bit passive.
I have a fairly TAG image on the table at this point in time (it's always changing).

5 limpers to me in the SB. I look down at K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I raise. BB calls, as does all the limpers.

As the dealer is flopping, I say aloud.."aces never hold up in these pots".

7 to the flop (14 SB) of:
9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
CHA-CHING!

I check, and it gets checked around to the slightly tight, very passive button who bets. I call, as do two others.

4 to the turn (9 BB): J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I decide to bet for obvious reasons. Slightly tight/slightly aggressive MP calls, tight/passive button now raises. I think for 30 seconds, play with my chips some, and re-raise. MP folds, button hesitates for 10 seconds and 4 bets me..
I think a bit..twiddle my thumbs..check which way the wind is blowing..and fold.

Good laydown or did I have too much wine today?

[STLantny]

Im not sure why you laid it down, care to explain? Otherwise, lay off the vino.

[winky51]

Huh comes to mind as only 1 hand beats you.

[Diplomat]

Is this a troll?

-Diplomat

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Is this a troll?

-Diplomat

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Not positive on the meaning of troll but let me add..the hand happened at Brantford Casino. I'm sure you play there.

Anyways..to make more clear.. button was a recreational player who was very very passive.

Change anything?

[andyfox]

Two hands.

[STLantny]

10:1 that we will soon learn the villian in the hand had a straight flush, or AT of clubs. Well, let me be the first to congratulate you on the super laydown.

[Josh W]

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Anyways..to make more clear.. button was a recreational player who was very very passive.

Change anything?

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now, please understand that I've certainly been guilty of things like this in the past, so this isn't just throwing stones, but...

if the above paragraph means "he'll only raise with hands that beat me", then why post the hand? To get a "good job, nice laydown" ego-stroke? If he'll raise with any flush, thinking that there is no way you have a flush, then you need to call.

You are the only person that knows your opponent. If you made a good read, you knew it at the time, and no amount of critique on this forum should matter.

So, again, why did you post it?

Josh

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Anyways..to make more clear.. button was a recreational player who was very very passive.

Change anything?

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now, please understand that I've certainly been guilty of things like this in the past, so this isn't just throwing stones, but...

if the above paragraph means "he'll only raise with hands that beat me", then why post the hand? To get a "good job, nice laydown" ego-stroke? If he'll raise with any flush, thinking that there is no way you have a flush, then you need to call.

You are the only person that knows your opponent. If you made a good read, you knew it at the time, and no amount of critique on this forum should matter.

So, again, why did you post it?

Josh

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If we all followed your words of wisdom we wouldn't need this forum. Everyone's reads would be inarguable. My read on this guy was he was very very passive. In other words..haven't seen him bluff without the nuts.

I never said I played this hand right. I thought it was a very debatable hand. That's why I posted it. Is that good enough for you officer?

[Josh W]

see, we use this forum for (lots of reasons). however, when you make a play based ENTIRELY on a read, the only people who can comment are people who had the same read as you.

a 'read' does not depend on stragety. a 'read' does not depend on math (except when you have drawing outs, like if you had K6s in this situation, and may have odds to draw to a straightflush).

What does 'very very passive' mean? does it mean he'll only raise with a hand that beats yours (hence you are drawing dead)? Will he raise with any flush? seriously...these are my questions...my question isn't (forgive my previous response) "why did you post the hand".

what hands will he reraise you with here? what does 'very very passive' mean to you? are you ahead at least 1 in 8 times? if so, call down. if not, fold.

or, don't answer the questions, and realize that your post is impossible to respond to intelligently.

josh