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Old 12-22-2004, 03:16 AM
jskills jskills is offline
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Default A 10 with top pair top kicker - throw it away at turn??

I folded at the river, but should I have folded at the turn? It really felt like calling down would be wrong given the action ...

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (8 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(8 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, SB calls, UTG folds, Hero calls.

River: (16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, SB calls.

Final Pot: 20 BB
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Old 12-22-2004, 03:24 AM
milesdyson milesdyson is offline
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Default Re: A 10 with top pair top kicker - throw it away at turn??

You should've folded preflop.

You could've folded to SB's stop and go on the turn. You should've folded to MP3's raise even after calling the first turn bet.
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Old 12-22-2004, 03:28 AM
SoCalPat SoCalPat is offline
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Default Re: A 10 with top pair top kicker - throw it away at turn??

No point calling the turn raise. Someone's got a 9, and improving on the river is only going to cost you more bets.

There are worse hands to limp with UTG+1 than ATo, but the flop has to hit you pretty hard to win. Not worth limping here.
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Old 12-22-2004, 03:29 AM
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Default Re: A 10 with top pair top kicker - throw it away at turn??

you gotta consider that you're up against 4 opponents on the turn, and one of them just raised a bettor and 2 callers. i think i'd fold the turn when it comes back to me.

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Old 12-22-2004, 03:54 AM
Dooner Dooner is offline
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Default Re: A 10 with top pair top kicker - throw it away at turn??

Personally, I think you should have folded A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] from UTG+1 preflop.

But, to answer your question, yes you should fold this on the turn. Top kicker with a pair of 10's is pretty weak. If you are hoping on catching a 10 or an Ace on the river, both the T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] would put a 3 flush on the board. And if no one is on a flush draw, you might already be drawing dead to someone's straight. There are just too many possibilities here where you are either already beat or can be outdrawn to make this call profitable. That's just my two cents. Hope it helps.

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Old 12-22-2004, 04:09 AM
Joe Tall Joe Tall is offline
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Default Re: A 10 with top pair top kicker - throw it away at turn??

You are to much in EP to limp w/this preflop, I'd have to be 90% sure there'd be no raise behind.

Once you are bet into again on the turn, on such a draw heavy flop TPTK is not going to be good here getting 11:1 with so many players to act. Fold it up.

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