Is this legal?

Asufiji2004 · #1 12-20-2004, 01:49 PM

So the setting is 3-6 at the Hawaiian Gardens. 4 of us see the flop. The guy who I think broke a rule is an old man on the button. Flop comes A 8 3 w/ 2 hearts. We check to him he bets, and as he bets he flips over the A of hearts. The guy to his left asks "you have another heart under there? The old man proceeds to tell us that's why he flipped it over to keep us guessing. It's psychological warfare!! We all fold. The guy who asked if he had 2 hearts was pissed because he had KQ of hearts and was gonna draw, but just folded and then told the old timer he was out of line and violated a rule. The dealer tells the old man he can't show cards and an argument insues. Now I don't condone dealer bashing, but this was funny. The old man goes on to berate the dealer for "being nosey" and "speaking" when she should just shut up and deal. Oh and the topper was "get a boyfriend, that'll loosen you up" So anyways my question is..did he break the rules?

Ghazban · #2 12-20-2004, 01:52 PM

At most casinos I've played, you cannot show cards when there are multiple people still to act. If its heads up, some places will allow it, some won't.

andyfox · #3 12-20-2004, 01:53 PM

There might be a rule requiring players to protect their hands, but why worry about it? If a guy wants to show you one of his cards, I'd encourage it.

bosulli · #4 12-20-2004, 01:55 PM

Illegal? No. Unethical? Yes. You are not supposed to say what your cards are, or purposely show them before the showdown.

If I would have had a big pair, a set or 2 pair I would have bet it up to make the pot odds not advantageous to him drawing. I would also suspect he had only one heart.

other1 · #5 12-20-2004, 02:16 PM

Where I do most of my play they have a stated rule that exposed hands in non headsup hands are dead. So if he showed the dealer would muck his hand. I guess it depends on the house rule. Either way I don't get why the old man would want to do this.

mostsmooth · #6 12-20-2004, 02:18 PM

if you bet it up with only a big pair, youd be in trouble seeing that he had at least aces
plus, wouldnt you bet up two pair and a set anyway even if he didnt show an ace?

bpb · #7 12-20-2004, 02:28 PM

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There might be a rule requiring players to protect their hands, but why worry about it? If a guy wants to show you one of his cards, I'd encourage it.

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You have 88 on the button. 10 players see the flop of 8 5 2. The SB flips up 55 and bets. 8 players fold to you.

Are you glad he exposed his cards?

Asufiji2004 · #8 12-20-2004, 02:38 PM

I had two red 9's and was running hot, I thought about calling, but when he flipped over the A I gladly folded. I wasn't upset he did it. The guy with the king high flush draw was pissed. My question wasn't to analyze if it was right to call or whatever, just simply if it is legal or is his hand dead. But it looks like it differs from room to room.

youtalkfunny · #9 12-21-2004, 04:27 AM

In a cash game, turn up your cards if you like.

In a tourney, it's a no-no.

bosulli · #10 12-21-2004, 07:05 AM

True on both accounts. Point is he has an a pair of aces, and a 3 flush, which is not too good. If he would of had two hearts he would not have flashed a card. You know what he has, but he does not know what you got. If you know what I have (or have not), and you are betting agressively, there is a good chance I would fold. But again, I keep my hole cards to myself.