BB/100 What is a reasonable number?

[Schizo]

What should I be getting BB/100?

At party 2/4, and 3/6?

I posted this in SS, but the guys there are being jerks.

[AngryCola]

You are kind of overreacting by calling them jerks. You posted a somewhat vague question.

Still, you got some decent answers by the end of it. It really depends on a lot of factors. 2 BB/100 hands is a fairly reasonable number for a good player.

[Geoff]

I have read in a thread on this board, I do not remember the forum, that a player becomes a winning player at 4BB.
Further that the better players are at 20-25 BB/100.

I cannot relate to the 20-25 figure but I agree with the 4BB stat.

[Reef]

it should be a lot higher at 2/4 than 3/6 from what I understand. Preferably 2-5 at 2/4 I'm guessing would mean success

[mistrpug]

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What should I be getting BB/100?

At party 2/4, and 3/6?

I posted this in SS, but the guys there are being jerks.

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Yeah, they can definitely be jerks at SS. You should be exteremly happy with anything above 2BB/100. I would guess that the highest you could reasonably get would be somewhere around 4.

[mistrpug]

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Further that the better players are at 20-25 BB/100.

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That's not even close to possible.

[Freakin]

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What should I be getting BB/100?

At party 2/4, and 3/6?

I posted this in SS, but the guys there are being jerks.

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Schizo,

If you're getting about 2BB/100 over 100-200k hands, then you should be happy with it. Thats a pretty good number to go by. Over 3 or 4 at higher limits is unsustainable for any lenghth of time. Party .5/1 is a different story, but you'd need ever more hands to actually be sure of your winrate. The problem is that variance has a huge amount of influence on your WR. Homer posted recently that even at 100k hands (i think), you still can't be sure of your WR within +/- 1BB. It's much more important to look at your gameplay, and see where you improve. Just like how individual hands are played, you shouldn't focus on results. Just make +EV decisions and make sure you're bringing your A game (and that it's a good A game too).

I'd recommend posting as many hands as possible in teh SS forum for the jerks to review. I think posting is the single biggest way to improve your game. They aren't ALL jerks; i bet you can find at least one or two people who are fairly nice.

Freakin

*EDIT* Oh, and the reason they were being jerks about this is because they've had to answer this question a bunch of times before. You can probably find pretty detailed discussions by posters much greater than I by doing a search.

[John Paul]

If you want a detailed discussion of the statistics/sample size issues - check out this post.

You need a farily large sample size to get an accurate measuremnt, but folks sometimes tend to exaggerate how big a sample size you need.

[SomethingClever]

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I have read in a thread on this board, I do not remember the forum, that a player becomes a winning player at 4BB.
Further that the better players are at 20-25 BB/100.

I cannot relate to the 20-25 figure but I agree with the 4BB stat.

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What the heck are you talking about?

You're a winning player if your winrate is > 0.

If you're winning 4 BB/100 longterm, you're CRUSHING the game.

If you're winning 20-25 BB/100, you're on a huge rush. And your sample size is probably 200 hands.

After 20,000 hands at 2+ BB/100, you can be pretty confident you're a winning player, although your true winrate could still range from 0.1 to 4.

[Geoff]

I am not talking about win rate.

Big Bets per 100 as a factor of aggression. That is how I read the issue.

peace