Widening our hand selection

[MRBAA]

I have Q4s utg in a ridiculously loose and bad playing 7-handed 4-8 game at the club. Randy B. who has morphed into an uber fish at limit now that he's a no limit shark, is on my immediate right. Five of us see a queen high flop. I bet and get two callers. Turn some baby, I bet and get two callers. River a King. I bet and they both fold.

After the blinds pass, I'm on the button with QTo and limp behind two others. BB raises, four of us see a flop of 558. BB bets, one caller, I fold.

Conclusion: When the game is right, it really pays to loosen up preflop.

[phuc]

While I might agree that you can loosen up preflop when game conditions are right, I'm not sure I would agree with calling Q4s UTG in a 7-handed game. What kind of flops are you hoping to hit with this and still be confident?

but then again, i'm hoping this thread is posted in sarcasm.

[bisonbison]

At bay101 over thanksgiving, I was waiting for Chris and bakku to show up and got seated at a 2/4 table without realizing it. Having bought in for 50BB, I thought it only appropriate to limp any two suited for the brief time it would take me to get reseated at 3/6.

I won two hands in one orbit and tipped well.

Conclusion: When the game is right, it really pays to loosen up preflop.

I must concur. Sharp work, Holmes.

[Grease]

I don't think that either of those hands are profitable under even the most severe of loose games. I like the Q4s one better than the other, but it's not to say I like it. But then again, I'm uber tight PF for the most part. Interesting.

[bdk3clash]

The first limp is bad; the second one is fine.

[Joe Tall]

the game is right, it really pays to loosen up preflop.

I just puked in my mouth.

Barf,
Joe Tall

[Randy Burgess]

Yuch! Or as Joe Tall says, barf.

You have too few limpers for your Qxs hand to have positive expectation. Limping your QT is likewise a mistake with only two callers ahead of you. You got lucky on these two hands and have started generalizing where you shouldn't.

I was limping similar trash, but only because I was bored to death in my first low-limit sit in many weeks and craved "action," ha ha ha ha ha.* I would never, ever claim it was a good long-term strategy.

You were very close to a short-handed situation---in fact I think we did get short-handed shortly after I sat down, with just six players---so you should have started adjusting your hand mix in that direction, not towards limping suited garbage.

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* You could have gotten more action from a tableful of the living dead than from those players. God, what a crew.

[MRBAA]

Okay, okay so these aren't great hands. But my risk playing them in this crowd was low, and my return was high. Furthermore, when they start reacting I can tighten up for awhile. There's not much doubt in my mind that I'd have kept right on raking in the chips against this lineup playing some pretty flaky hands. Now Randy will tell you why 27o is a good no limit hand because of the implied odds....

[Rubeskies]

The reason Q4s is not usually profitable hand isn't because you can't normally see a flop cheap with it, it's because it will often be dominated. You'll be playing your top pair hard, trying to protect your hand and end up losing to a passively played AQ, KQ, or QJ a fair amount of the time.

It has poor reverse implied odds.

[MRBAA]

You really had to see how the other players in this game played to understand.