Should I raise this river?

compsolv · #1 12-13-2004, 05:35 PM

The SB player is a LAG and BLUFFER. No read on UTG. Because he is such a BLUFFER, I really thought about a raise to the river bet - what does everyone think? Any other mistakes?

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $1.
UTG (poster) checks, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 8 BB

topspin · #2 12-13-2004, 05:37 PM

I fold this river. Even if SB is bluffing UTG probably has a real hand.

Shillx · #3 12-13-2004, 05:42 PM

Que? Uhhh that's a pretty tight laydown. Calling looks fine here.

Shill

nyc999 · #4 12-13-2004, 05:42 PM

I call this river -- the raise is risky w/the strong possibility either the SB or UTG possibly re-raising.

However, I definitely wouldn't fold. SB may also have a straight, and UTG could have been easily betting with two-pair or a set of 10's.

compsolv · #5 12-13-2004, 05:47 PM

You must have missed that I made the str8t!

There is no way in hell I am folding.

kgrad5 · #6 12-13-2004, 05:57 PM

raising - good chance guy behind you folds, if the bettor does not have a straight beat he folds and you win 1 extra bet if he has a straight beat he either calls and you lose an extra bet or he reraises and you fold without seeing showdown or you call and lose 2 extra bets..

calling - chance guy behind you calls as well meaning if your hand is good you win 2 bets (as opposed to 1 if you raise with the besthand) or at worst he folds and if your hand is good you win the same as if you raised.. and you lose less if you are behind

folding - win 0 more bets, lose pot

i think calling is the best action here

edit: the only time a raise would be better then a fold would be if you knew that SB Also had a straight and your raise MIGHT make him fold and win you the entire pot

compsolv · #7 12-13-2004, 06:24 PM

Ahhhh - yes - great advice/analysis.

compsolv · #8 12-13-2004, 06:29 PM

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $1.
UTG (poster) checks, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qs 9s (straight, ace high).
SB has 8s Ah (two pair, aces and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 8 BB.

Jaran · #9 12-13-2004, 08:30 PM

I'm going to ignore the river for a second. I feel you need to bet the flop here. You have an OESD and a bd flush draw. I would call the river.

-Jaran