If 2+2 books sold for $10 ...

_2000Flushes · #1 12-13-2004, 02:00 AM

No doubt Mason and David have determined to the penny how much to charge for their books in order to maximize profits. But I wonder how things would be different if they were sold for as little as $10.

It would be nice to know how much harder the average game is because of 2+2. (Or maybe it's contributed so much to poker's popularity that it has actually loosened the average game.)

Anyway, if the casual player were able to pick up a copy of HEPFAP or SSHE for $10 rather than $25, I imagine the impact on soft games would be pretty substantial.

-2kF

sthief09 · #2 12-13-2004, 02:11 AM

people have to want to get better in order to get better. I bet if you went to a 3/6 game in a casino and started handing out free 2+2 books, the majority of the people would either decline or take the book and either not read it or give up on reading it after a short while. people go to casinos to gamble. playing the 2+2 way isn't as fun as throwing chips in the pot and hoping for the best. sometimes you'll go an hour and see one flop. that's not what people go for.

besides, even for the low limit games like 3/6, $25 is nothing for someone who wants to improve. I bought a bunch of books before I was even a winning player. I had a desire to become better. I don't think most have that

BlueBear · #3 12-13-2004, 02:32 AM

Hand out free "The Theory of Poker" books in the casino and tell them you will give them $100 as a reward for finishing the book.

The casual player simply does not care to learn even if he is paid to learn it for a fee. "Learning is boring", so they say.

_2000Flushes · #4 12-13-2004, 02:55 AM

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playing the 2+2 way isn't as fun as throwing chips in the pot and hoping for the best.

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Good point. Maybe a better question would be whether the games would be much looser if the books sold instead for $75.

Do you think that those of us who read these books are in such a minority that it wouldn't make a difference?

I think you're right, though. It's very comforting to remember that so many players aren't interested in concerted improvement.

-2kF

TransientR · #5 12-13-2004, 03:01 AM

I agree.

A lot of people don't want to work to improve, it takes them out of their comfort zone. So even if you give them helpful information for free, they won't take it.

Frank

johnnybeef · #6 12-13-2004, 03:07 AM

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people have to want to get better in order to get better. I bet if you went to a 3/6 game in a casino and started handing out free 2+2 books, the majority of the people would either decline or take the book and either not read it or give up on reading it after a short while. people go to casinos to gamble. playing the 2+2 way isn't as fun as throwing chips in the pot and hoping for the best. sometimes you'll go an hour and see one flop. that's not what people go for.

besides, even for the low limit games like 3/6, $25 is nothing for someone who wants to improve. I bought a bunch of books before I was even a winning player. I had a desire to become better. I don't think most have that

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this is absolutley true. case in point, i gave my little brother a couple of books for his birthday in September as he was starting to play pretty regularly online. When i went home in november for thanksgiving, there was dust on them. Being a winning poker player takes a fierce competetiveness that many people simply do not have. Furthermore, many of the concepts within the 2+2 texts are very difficult to grasp so merely reading them is not enough to improve. Finally there is a mirage in the game of poker that is created when short term luck interacts with denial that causes many people to think they are good, however if they were to keep a few records, they would see that it is quite the contrary.

heres to the fish
Johnny

phixxx · #7 12-13-2004, 06:27 AM

When it comes to things that I enjoy, I am always strive to compete at the HIGHEST level of competition. Probably why I picked the game up relatively quickly.

PE101 · #8 12-13-2004, 11:09 AM

Personally, I’m okay with the fact that most players can’t be bothered with studying.

I say - “The more clueless opponents, the better!”

Nagoo81 · #9 12-13-2004, 11:39 AM

I actually wish the prices of 2+2 books were higher. The less players that follow the 2+2 way equals more profit for me.

LALDAAS · #10 12-13-2004, 12:08 PM

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people have to want to get better in order to get better. I bet if you went to a 3/6 game in a casino and started handing out free 2+2 books, the majority of the people would either decline or take the book and either not read it or give up on reading it after a short while. people go to casinos to gamble. playing the 2+2 way isn't as fun as throwing chips in the pot and hoping for the best. sometimes you'll go an hour and see one flop. that's not what people go for.

besides, even for the low limit games like 3/6, $25 is nothing for someone who wants to improve. I bought a bunch of books before I was even a winning player. I had a desire to become better. I don't think most have that

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This is as true as it gets. I started my home game about 5 months ago. My friends really took to the game and enjoy it, even though they hand the cash over to me week after week. My best bud was showing some serious disire to improve his play. So I watched his game for a few minutes and watch him called down J3o to the river. So I asked him "what the hell were you doing!" His reply was "I was going for the striaght?" [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Seeing how much help he really needs I loaned and put him on the three book plan 1)WLLH 2)TOP 3)SSH

Three weeks later we are sitting round poker table this saturday, He is bleeding his chips away. I asked him how far along he was in his reading he said" Im still in chapter 2 of WLLH, I kinda gave up on the book" [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

You can lead a horse to water as the saying goes! [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]