QQ Stop & Go & Stop

Sully · #1 12-09-2004, 02:13 PM

Your thoughts here...I felt lost, as I was out of position with two cold callers. The raise on the flop only confused me more.

UTG + 1: Vpip = 25% PFR = 4.5%
MP1: only 38 hands - seems decent, maybe a little passive

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 6 folds.

Flop: (7.66 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (6.83 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

River: (9.83 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: 9.83 BB

I usually feel that a flop raise indicates a good draw more often than not, so I think a reraise is in order. Not sure why I backed off here. I also think I have to bet the river and fold to a raise.

How bad was my play, and what do you put these two players on here?

nothumb · #2 12-09-2004, 02:23 PM

Well, they're both not awful and they cold-called a pre-flop raise from EP. For UTG I am thinking ATs, KTs, maybe pocket jacks or nines, or maybe just Ax of hearts. MP1 could have a wider range of hands but I think he is most likely to have top pair, a flush draw, or both. Seems unlikely that he'll have two pair on this board.

I would definitely bet the river.

NT

anatta · #3 12-09-2004, 02:51 PM

You are right, three-bet the flop! Put pressure on MP. Bet the river (I call a raise against unknown and most knowns). You like your hand a lot less than me.

TStoneMBD · #4 12-09-2004, 02:56 PM

definite flop 3bet. definite river value bet.

Sully · #5 12-09-2004, 06:18 PM

I think you guys are right...I missed two (and possibly four) small bets on the flop, and maybe another big bet on the river.

UTG +1 had A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
MP1 had 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

schroedy · #6 12-09-2004, 06:34 PM

FWIW -- You are going to fold me with any more betting, whether on the flop or the river. I might cryingly call another bet with 66 on the flop -- hoping to pick up the set on the turn, but I know it to be a bad play and I think I should stop doing it. But I know a lot of these Party Poker guys just keep calling.

SGS · #7 12-09-2004, 07:44 PM

3-bet the flop, bet the turn, bet the river. You have a pretty big hand, play it that way.

SGS

goofball · #8 12-09-2004, 09:07 PM

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3-bet the flop, bet the turn, bet the river. You have a pretty big hand, play it that way.

SGS

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The Bear · #9 12-10-2004, 10:38 AM

You need to 3-bet the flop there. Also, checking the river is absolutely awful. No 2-ways about it.

hockey1 · #10 12-10-2004, 11:03 AM

I don't know whether you were trying to apply the "stop and go" tactic here, but there is no such thing in limit poker (which may explain why you butchered this hand).