Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > Tournament Poker > One-table Tournaments
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-06-2004, 07:10 AM
texasrattlers texasrattlers is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Texas
Posts: 228
Default Another bubble situation

Stars $6 Turbo. 5 players left. Blinds 75/150.

UTG 3000
MP1 4000
Button 2400
Hero (SB) 1600
BB 2500

UTG, MP1, Button all fold.

Hero dealt 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero completes, BB raises 150, Hero calls.

Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero checks, BB bets 150, Hero calls.

Turn 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero checks, BB bets 150, Hero re-raise 150 to 300, BB calls.

River K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero bets 450, BB raises all-in, Hero calls.

Of course BB had the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Should I have bet more on the turn when I caught my flush. I was trying to extract every last chip I could from the BB given my stack size, so I was not as interested in protecting my hand as I would be if I had a bigger stack.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-06-2004, 08:44 AM
tigerite tigerite is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 360
Default Re: Another bubble situation

Not quite sure what you are doing in the hand in the first place? Just completing from SB is extremely weak - if you are to play this, do it as a steal - not a complete then call preflop raise.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-06-2004, 09:10 AM
Sluss Sluss is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Still finishing bleeding
Posts: 220
Default Re: Another bubble situation

Okay, I'm a bit confused but I'll give it a shot. I thought this was a limit tourney until I saw the all in. This is a bit of bleeding chips when you are short stacked.

The pot is up to 750 on the turn when you've hit your flush. This to me is an auto-push.

I don't understand the river bet. This is a tough one, but you've hit the nuts. This guy might have top pair, you don't want to scare him off. You want to get him allin. I think a check here might be better. Besides if he's watched enough WPT he'll think he has to earn his pot.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-06-2004, 03:28 PM
Marcotte Marcotte is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 172
Default Re: Another bubble situation

[ QUOTE ]
Of course BB had the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].


[/ QUOTE ]

So? You have a straight flush. FWIW, I raise either 2.5 or 3xbb pf. If he doesn't raise, I'm pushing or check-raising all in on the flop. (Of course, I do have a lot of 4th and 5th place finishes.)
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-06-2004, 03:54 PM
texasrattlers texasrattlers is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Texas
Posts: 228
Default Re: Another bubble situation

Sorry I totally screwed this post up. The turn was maybe the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] but not the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] -- I was trying to post from memory and not from a hand history. So, I just had a smaller flush than the BB after the river.

So, is it never a good idea to just complete in this situation? It costs me x for a chance to win 3x. and T7s is not the worst hand imaginable.

But I agree with post-flop strategy to push.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-06-2004, 03:39 PM
zephyr zephyr is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Saskatoon Canada
Posts: 144
Default Re: Another bubble situation

I likely fold this preflop. You have pretty much exactly 10xBB, I don't like raising 3xBB and folding to an all-in, and I don't like a push steal. I certainly don't like playing this hand postflop if he calls a 3xBB raise.

Failing to fold preflop I check raise all-in/push all in, on the flop.

Failing to do that I push on the turn.

Failing to do that I push on the river.

Zephyr
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-06-2004, 04:16 PM
barry111 barry111 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 1
Default Re: Another bubble situation

hey Tex that was me that you played this hand against. All I can say is that if you would have pushed on the turn I would have folded. I had TPTK and when you min raised me back you gave me the correct odds to call and draw for the nut flush.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-06-2004, 04:35 PM
texasrattlers texasrattlers is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Texas
Posts: 228
Default Re: Another bubble situation

Hey, nice hand! I think the point of my post is that I figured you would have likely folded to an all-in check-raise on the turn, but being relatively short-stacked I was trying to extract a few extra chips from you at the (slight?) risk of another [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] falling AND you holding the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. So, I am interested in feedback if this is a wise decision, or should I have just taken the hand down on the turn. Basic risk/reward -- I thought my short stack called for a little extra risk to get an extra 150-450 or 600 chips. Maybe this was the right play but I don't know.

Anyway nice hand.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-06-2004, 04:45 PM
tigerite tigerite is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 360
Default Re: Another bubble situation

Way I see it you've already won your SB back, plus the BB, plus the extra 450 chips, so 675? That's not a bad return for a "marginal" (at best!) hand like 10-7. Take the money and run!
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-06-2004, 04:47 PM
tigerite tigerite is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 360
Default Re: Another bubble situation

[ QUOTE ]
hey Tex that was me that you played this hand against. All I can say is that if you would have pushed on the turn I would have folded. I had TPTK and when you min raised me back you gave me the correct odds to call and draw for the nut flush.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would have probably pushed in your situation here, or at least done more than min-raise preflop. Interesting to get both sides of the equation, though.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:18 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.