Complaints about cashin out- should advanced warning apply?

wacki · #1 12-03-2004, 04:47 AM

I had a home game tonight. Someone asked me about the rules of cashing out and I said you can do it at any time. My philosophy is that poker is a continual game. The next hand is just one more hand.... It doesn't matter what day it is played on. The people at my home game didn't look at it that way. They said continual games only exist in the casino. I know their logic is flawed but should I require a warning or a time limit before you can cash out? A lot of the guys at my game said a 30 minute notice should be required.

TenPercenter · #2 12-03-2004, 05:08 AM

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I had a home game tonight. Someone asked me about the rules of cashing out and I said you can do it at any time. My philosophy is that poker is a continual game. The next hand is just one more hand.... It doesn't matter what day it is played on. The people at my home game didn't look at it that way. They said continual games only exist in the casino. I know their logic is flawed but should I require a warning or a time limit before you can cash out? A lot of the guys at my game said a 30 minute notice should be required.

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That's what we usually say. Give a 30 minute notice. Right or wrong, I don't know, but it seems to have always worked fine. It's the current winner that needs to say it, who cares when the losers leave?

Ten

PokerGoblin · #3 12-03-2004, 12:09 PM

That's bullshit. I run a frequent home game w/ a lot of regulars who are also good friends of mine. If someone wants to leave they leave. Period. Why does someone need to give you 30 minutes notice? Just because they're ahead? Usually what happens is if someone wants to go they just say one more orbit and I'm out...

PG

Fins · #4 12-03-2004, 12:29 PM

I think making it known that scooping a big pot & running is frowned upon is okay, I guess, but as far as making it a rule I just don't see the point. If someone doesn't want to play they're not going to play...is it really worth their antes/blinds for 30min?? Might as well make the rule if you don't play until the end of the night (morning) it costs you $2-3??

If you play higher stakes and have to have a rule why not make it you have to play full orbits or something so your not getting 6-7 hands for free... or have a minimum playing time.

Just my thoughts,
Fins

TenPercenter · #5 12-03-2004, 12:54 PM

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That's bullshit. I run a frequent home game w/ a lot of regulars who are also good friends of mine. If someone wants to leave they leave. Period. Why does someone need to give you 30 minutes notice? Just because they're ahead? Usually what happens is if someone wants to go they just say one more orbit and I'm out...

PG

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The main reason is that we don't want anyone to get shot! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Seriously, if you play at my game, you can leave anytime you like. No one will say a thing. No bullshit.

Ten

Joshing aside: I've played poker since I was a small child, and this new poker craze has gotten people in a tizzy about everyone playing just like they do in card rooms... "That's not how they do it in Vegas." I don't run a gambling hall or anything. It's just an occasional home game. Friends and family. None, I say NONE of us know all the "rules" of a professional card room or whatever. I think the "give notice" thing is more like a traditional gesture, the old "hey, give a chance to win our money back" routine, you know? It's just a friendly thing to do. Keeping the peace. Come on, who's gonna lose all their money in 30 minutes anyway?

TheJunkyardGod · #6 12-03-2004, 04:12 PM

My friends and I typically play in a tournament setup and we don't allow cashouts. It's never that much of a problem except on the weekdays when we get a game together and people (myself included) have work in the morning.

I was considering proposing turning it into a low-limit cash game instead. Giving the 9-5'ers a chance to leave early while the bums play till 3.

We also had a proposed rule that when we play in a tournament style, if you had to leave early for any reason, you can cash out for what you bought in for.

Gbob · #7 12-03-2004, 04:25 PM

We don't have a rule in our game, but it is definatly frowned upon if you didn't give a "once around" call to give everyone a heads up. If someone doesn't announce and just leaves, odds are he'll catch some verbal heat but that's it.

In my mind it's rude to win a big pot then leave. Actually, now that i think about it it's pretty damn rude to win a big pot from me anyways. I take it personally. People should have the good manners to lay down the nuts if it's my money on the line.

Godfather80 · #8 12-03-2004, 04:32 PM

I agree with Goblin here. Calling "round" is acceptable in my game, as is putting a limit on your time like "I've gotta get out of here around 11pm". However, I think people should be able to leave a game whenever they like. That was a lesson I learned the first time I went to Foxwoods and actually asked the dealer "what's the procedure for cashing out?" She replied, very professionally, "You just go". I've had no poker experience in my life that contradicts her guidance.

Godfather

warewulf · #9 12-03-2004, 04:39 PM

I implemented the 30 minute rule a while back because we had an as*hole that was only playing for 90 minutes or so, won a monster pot and suddenly had to leave. VERY bad manners! As long as everyone is a regular, this shouldn't be necessary. It's just damn annoying when somebody pulls this and everyone else is pissed off because someone took a good chunk of change out the door.

At least a once around is appreciated. I've also asked people to let everyone know if they plan on leaving early so that PEOPLE DONT GET SHOT! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Tourneys are implied that you stay till the end, or dont bother buying in. You leave, you lose your buyin. I've never had a chip lead suddenly remember he left the iron on or some crap like that. Obviously, a true emergency would be ok. But if someone says their grandmother died for the 2nd time this month, I want to see a frickin corpse! [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

TenPercenter · #10 12-03-2004, 05:17 PM

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I agree with Goblin here. Calling "round" is acceptable in my game, as is putting a limit on your time like "I've gotta get out of here around 11pm". However, I think people should be able to leave a game whenever they like. That was a lesson I learned the first time I went to Foxwoods and actually asked the dealer "what's the procedure for cashing out?" She replied, very professionally, "You just go". I've had no poker experience in my life that contradicts her guidance.

Godfather

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Yes, it's more of a courtesy. Not a rule per-se. It's a traditional thing to do in friendly games. And to further the point, I had said "who's gonna lose all their winnings back in 30 monutes?" Same thing for one round! If someone can cash out anytime they want, why make them go around the table one more time? It's a courtesy right?

Ten