bkd takes poor kevin to poker school...

Kevin · #1 12-02-2004, 12:47 AM

Should I have checked behind on the flop?
The three bet was done with the hope of getting a free card with the gut shot draw. It was obviously foiled.

At what point do I put my tail between my legs and go away on this one? when it is checkraised back to me? unimproved on 4th?

Thanks,
Kevin

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $3.
2 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.66 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.66 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.66 BB
Main Pot: 11.66 BB, between MP2, Hero and BB.

bdk3clash · #2 12-02-2004, 03:50 AM

I think you should fold the turn, but I'm somewhat biased because I know what I had.

cnfuzzd · #3 12-02-2004, 04:06 AM

Easiest turn fold ever. A know good player who didnt cap it when you 3 bet preflop is now going nutso on you on the flop. He clearly jas AJ or KQ. AT or TT is a possibility, but he is telling you that you are beat. At best, you are drawing to ~four outs, and some are probably to a slit. Lay it down.

peace

john nickle

Grease · #4 12-02-2004, 04:07 AM

I would also fold the turn. I don't think of any hand that he would cap the flop with that you're still ahead of. You could easily be drawing to half the pot if he has AK. You don't have enough outs to continue, and you know your opponent will hammer you until the end.

cnfuzzd · #5 12-02-2004, 04:10 AM

Bdk would cap AK preflop, even out of position...

peace

john nickle

bdk3clash · #6 12-02-2004, 04:48 AM

Depends. Here I would have.

Evan · #7 12-02-2004, 05:00 AM

Is there really a point to 3 betting the flop?

bdk3clash · #8 12-02-2004, 05:03 AM

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Is there really a point to 3 betting the flop?

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Only if you're going to use me capping or raising the turn as an excuse to fold.

Evan · #9 12-02-2004, 05:10 AM

Oh, wow. I didn't even realize this was you. I'm insta-folding to the flop c/r.

EDIT: oops, we have guthsot. Forget that. CALL THE FLOP. FOLD THE TURN!!!!!!!!!

Kevin · #10 12-02-2004, 08:38 AM

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He clearly jas AJ or KQ. AT or TT is a possibility, but he is telling you that you are beat.

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The pot had 11.66 bbs in the end which means it had 8.6 whent it was to me on 4th. If I was drawing to 6 outs, I was at 6.7 to 1 - the reason I called it was that I thought that the 2 kings outs live - as I thought he would wait until the expensive streets with KQ or AA.

The flop 3 bet was a valiant but wasted attempt to get to see this cheap to the river. The cap seemed to be telling me AK no goot. (so KK really, really no goot).

Obviously behind on the river, but for one bet.... I know.. I create a big pot behind the whole way and then justify a loose call on the end because of the big pot that I contributed to.

Just wondering if the turn fold is easy if I have 6 live card that I am drawing to - even discounted to 5 it seems really close.