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Old 11-30-2004, 04:14 PM
belloc belloc is offline
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Default Overpair facing a turn raise from a Rock (HU)

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button <font color="purple">(Rock)</font> calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Rock calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Rock raises</font>, Hero ??

Here's how I see it: I had about 60 hands on her this session, with VP$IP around 15, average aggression PF but passive postflop. If I put her on a set, I'm drawing to 2 outs (and drawing dead if she made the straight, though this is unlikely). I haven't seen her bluff.

I can see reasons for several actions: I could fold there (pot's not big), I could reraise to see if maybe she's just raising a redraw with 99 or A9s (unlikely play for a player like her), or call (maybe she's raising A8s, having put me on just overcards).

Suggestions for turn action (and perhaps the follow-up river action)?
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Old 11-30-2004, 05:01 PM
Shillx Shillx is offline
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Default Re: Overpair facing a turn raise from a Rock (HU)

Against a true rock, I would fold.

Agaisnt the person you describe, I would call down. You just don't have a good enough read on her to make this kind of fold. It is probably close to 50/50 that you have her beat. Her possible hands IMO are 88-QQ. A rock will not raise a flush draw.

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Old 11-30-2004, 05:32 PM
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Default Re: Overpair facing a turn raise from a Rock (HU)

You are likely behind but you should call anyway. I would check the river and call a bet to see what she had and make note of it.
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Old 11-30-2004, 05:32 PM
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You are likely behind but you should call anyway. I would check the river and call a bet to see what she had and make note of it.
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Old 12-01-2004, 05:00 PM
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Default Re: Overpair facing a turn raise from a Rock (HU)

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You are likely behind but you should call anyway. I would check the river and call a bet to see what she had and make note of it.

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Well, this is just what I did. She had slowplayed a flopped set of sevens, and raised my turn bet when the 8 came off. I called her turn raise, planning to check the river. Happy (result) for me, I spiked the Js on the river and won the pot anyway, so I got make a note on her and take home a tidy little 9 or 10 BB pot.

However, I misplayed the river badly. I think I was still stunned by the turn raise, and was worried that she had either made a straight (or even possibly made a flush with the third spade on the river), so I just check/called the river without even taking a moment to reconsider her range of starting hands.

In retrospect, there's no way this apparently tight player is coldcalling a PF bet with T9 (or worse, 54 or 95), and it's unlikely that she's semi-bluff raising a flush draw on the turn after just calling the flop. If I'd been thinking clearly, I would have put her on a set without a doubt, and check/raised the river, recognizing that the river J gave me the better hand.

Thanks for the comments.
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