100-200 Hand. Give up on the turn?

[Chief911]

Relatively new to the $100/$200 game. But had a decent line on villian. Sorry no converter. Do you give up when he 3-bets you on the turn knowing you'll have to pay 2 BB uninproved to see if trips make it?

Nick

PokerStars Game #890320925: Hold'em Limit ($100/$200) - 2004/11/24 - 19:09:34 (ET) Table 'Tone' Seat #7 is the button Seat 1: pianolegs ($1297 in chips) Seat 2: TopDog1 ($3196 in chips) Seat 3: zoilykey ($2327.50 in chips) Seat 4: NhuocThuy ($3776 in chips) Seat 5: leela ($1800 in chips) Seat 6: Money800 ($4653 in chips) Seat 7: Veganboy ($7517.50 in chips) Seat 8: Striker 10 ($8356 in chips) Seat 9: Chief911 ($5391 in chips) Striker 10: posts small blind $50
Chief911 said, "no heart"
Chief911: posts big blind $100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chief911 [7c Qd]
pianolegs: folds
TopDog1: raises $100 to $200
zoilykey: folds
NhuocThuy: folds
leela: folds
Money800: calls $200
Veganboy: folds
Striker 10: calls $150
Chief911 said, "lemme guess, he's a striker for..."
Chief911: calls $100
*** FLOP *** [8s 7d Tc]
Striker 10: checks
Chief911: checks
TopDog1: checks
Money800: bets $100
Striker 10: calls $100
Chief911: calls $100
TopDog1: folds
*** TURN *** [8s 7d Tc] [7h]
Striker 10: checks
Chief911: checks
Money800: bets $200
Striker 10: folds
Chief911: raises $200 to $400
Money800: raises $200 to $600
Chief911: calls $200
*** RIVER *** [8s 7d Tc 7h] [Ah]
Chief911: checks
Money800: bets $200
Chief911: calls $200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Money800: shows [Jd 9d] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
Chief911: mucks hand
Money800 collected $2697 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2700 | Rake $3
Board [8s 7d Tc 7h Ah]
Seat 1: pianolegs folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: TopDog1 folded on the Flop Seat 3: zoilykey folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: NhuocThuy folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: leela folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: Money800 showed [Jd 9d] and won ($2697) with a straight, Seven to Jack Seat 7: Veganboy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: Striker 10 (small blind) folded on the Turn Seat 9: Chief911 (big blind) mucked [7c Qd] - three of a kind, Sevens

[Paluka]

If you were going to fold this hand, you should have done it preflop.

[surfdoc]

I am not playing this limit but I can't see any way playing Q7o out of position for a raise can be anything but -EV.

[Chief911]

So with 3 people already in the pot you wouldn't call 1 bet from the BB? Obviously I would not cold call 2 bets, but 1 from the BB?

Nick

[Your Mom]

If you don't know why you should fold this preflop, I don't think you should be playing 100-200.

[NabO]

Clear fold preflop but we have to answer to your question. Obviously Money800 is a really good player (Chris Moneymaker) to say the least. Then he can play a large variety of hands preflop ( even for a raise ) in order to outplayed you postflop. But can he reraise the turn on a draw here or call the PFR with A7, T7 or K7? I don't know... But i think sure that a draw was the only think you could beat here. 88, TT, and 87's are possible even if i think that he attacks the flop with bottom 2 and even probably with a set cause any J, 9, 6 on the turn give a one card straight . J9's was the most probable possibilty and in fact you played the hand on the turn as you had to ( but your call on flop was bad too). Even if i don't think playing J9's for a raise in that kind of game ( highly aggressif )don't have a positive EV for the large majority of us.

Excuse my poor english..

[Gabe]

Nice hand.

[James282]

Bad call preflop. But you have to call the turn because against his most likely holding you have a lot of outs. He might also be goofplaying a hand like KK or AA.
-James

[MarkD]

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Nice hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

Including pre-flop?

[Senor Choppy]

If folding the turn is a serious consideration in this game, you shouldn't be playing in it.

Preflop should be a clear fold, as well.