Is PlayerView against Party TOS?

sillyarms · #1 11-19-2004, 07:41 PM

I've been reading WinHoldem cheaters foiled . They are taking steps to crack down on bots. Will playerview be included in this sweep? I know pokertracker is officialy allowed but I don't have any information about playerview. Mabye amirpc or CT11 could possibly e-mail party and ask? I myself am sort of afraid of being the test case. I would hate to have my bankroll confiscated just so I can see someones vpip on the screen instead of in the game time window.

silly

Freakin · #2 11-19-2004, 08:40 PM

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I've been reading WinHoldem cheaters foiled . They are taking steps to crack down on bots. Will playerview be included in this sweep? I know pokertracker is officialy allowed but I don't have any information about playerview. Mabye amirpc or CT11 could possibly e-mail party and ask? I myself am sort of afraid of being the test case. I would hate to have my bankroll confiscated just so I can see someones vpip on the screen instead of in the game time window.

silly

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PlayerView does not use any information that is collected from the screen. It uses the same information that is provided by party to every user and is allowed to be used in PokerTracker. It is not any kind of artificial intelligence or bot, it is simply displaying aspects from the game time window is what could be considered a mostly-transparent window overlapping a game window. I don't see any way how it could be against the TOS if the game time window is allowed.

Freakin

ghostface · #3 11-19-2004, 09:24 PM

Also there is no way that party could detect that you are running it. If they tried to it would probably be in violation of some kind of privacy rights.

sillyarms · #4 11-19-2004, 10:30 PM

WinHoldEm Thread

Party Poker Terms and Conditions

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6. Artificial Intelligence.
We are committed to detecting and preventing software programs which are designed to enable artificial intelligence (non-human) to play on our site. Such programs are often designed to send information about cards or players to an external program. Information sent to an outside program is not permitted. The company will take measures to prevent and detect the use of such programs using methods including but not limited to screen scraping or reading the list of currently running programs on a player’s computer.

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Party can see your desktop screen and receive a list of your running programs. What will they think when they see my screen with all kinds of numbers scattered everywhere and some strang application called playerview running. I'm for online casino's combating cheating and I am personally willing to sacrifice some privacy to do so. But, I don't want to get caught in the crossfire for using playerview.

silly

soah · #5 11-19-2004, 10:40 PM

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detecting and preventing software programs which are designed to enable artificial intelligence (non-human) to play on our site

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ghostface · #6 11-19-2004, 11:18 PM

I certainly think that Party would first give warning for this type of thing since you could do thid kind of stuff without PT even if you were dedicated to having stats on people. Theres no reason this shouldnt be allowed. All the information used to compile this program is given to us by the poker site itself. I think what they are worried about the most is a program that reads the cards realtime and does something about that (i.e. bot)

pfkaok · #7 11-19-2004, 11:23 PM

Plus WINholdem was a system that allowed the bots to collude with one another, which is clearly cheating by any standards.

Playerview does nothing of the sort

CT11 · #8 11-20-2004, 10:41 PM

The commonly held belief is that party only cares if you take real time information from it's program. Because PT and PV use only the HHFs there is no real time information. It is certainly possible that party will see all the numbers on your screen shot and wonder what it is but once they figure out what it is they shouldn't care.

~CT

DavidC · #9 11-30-2004, 12:37 AM

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It is certainly possible that party will see all the numbers on your screen shot and wonder what it is...

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... could be just someone with photoshop and a lot of time on their hands.

The important question is, does PlayerView make baby Jesus cry?

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Luv2DriveTT · #10 11-30-2004, 01:59 AM

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The commonly held belief is that party only cares if you take real time information from it's program. Because PT and PV use only the HHFs there is no real time information. It is certainly possible that party will see all the numbers on your screen shot and wonder what it is but once they figure out what it is they shouldn't care.

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Actually, Poker Office (Poker Tracker's competitor) took data not from the screen or HHF's, they used the chat window. I read this to be a violation of Party's TOS, however Party does not view this as a violation. You can send them an email to verify, I did.

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