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Old 11-11-2004, 01:17 PM
ode ode is offline
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Default KK, hero bets turn to get a free showdown...

And I keep on losing every hand I play...

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP3 folds.

River: (8.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 8.75 BB, between MP1 and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by MP1 (8.75 BB).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
MP1 has As 8h (one pair, aces).
Hero has Kc Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP1 wins 8.75 BB. </font>


This ok line?

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Old 11-11-2004, 01:24 PM
prayformojo prayformojo is offline
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Default Re: KK, hero bets turn to get a free showdown...

With MP1 raising pre-flop, but not coming alive on the turn or river, I bet the river for value.
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Old 11-11-2004, 01:28 PM
Koller Koller is offline
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Default Re: KK, hero bets turn to get a free showdown...

I would Bet the river also.
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Old 11-11-2004, 01:35 PM
Kenshin Kenshin is offline
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Default Re: KK, hero bets turn to get a free showdown...

I think the correct play depends upon your read of your opponent. Against a player who readily calls down with any piece of the board a river bet becomes obviously appropriate. Against a tight player, the choice becomes more difficult.

Kenshin
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Old 11-11-2004, 01:43 PM
prayformojo prayformojo is offline
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Default Re: KK, hero bets turn to get a free showdown...

Doesn't it depend more on passivity than tightness? Hero almost certainly beats any raising hand other than an ace.* MP1 check/called the turn ace. So in order for Hero to be behind, MP1 has to be aggressive enough pre-flop to raise with an unpaired ace but passive enough post-flop to check call when his top pair hits. I have played opponents like that, but without the specific read I would bet the river.


* The one unlikely exception might be a very passively played TT, slowplaying the set on the flop then scared of pocket aces on the turn.
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Old 11-11-2004, 01:46 PM
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Default Re: KK, hero bets turn to get a free showdown...

The opponent was very passive.
Against agressive opponent I would've bet the river.


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