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Theoretical Pre-flop Capping Question
3/6 LAG
You're UTG w/JJ You raise. MP1 3-bets SB & BB both call. Do you cap here? What's the reasoning to yes or no? Seems to me that although you're probably beat, with three players in (who are all likely to call the fourth bet), the cap is +EV as it amplifies the mistake that 1, 2, or MAYBE all three are making by being in the pot at all. But maybe I'm not thinking about this correctly. Thoughts? How about TT or 99? |
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Re: Theoretical Pre-flop Capping Question
If MP has decent raising standards i think that capping is -EV since you are at best even money as any Q,K,A will kill your hand...
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Re: Theoretical Pre-flop Capping Question
I only cap with JJ, especially out of position in a multiway pot, for deception reasons...meaning that I usually would only call.
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Re: Theoretical Pre-flop Capping Question
I understand your point, but do not think at BEST you are even money - I think at BEST, you're a small favorite for a favorable flop - if all three opps are on big broadway's (LAG game) the chances of those cards flopping and null/voiding your hand are reduced (admittedly slightly).
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Re: Theoretical Pre-flop Capping Question
if MP has decent 3bettting standards his hands will include:
AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AK/AQ (for most opponents) AA/KK/QQ we are 4-1 dog JJ we are tied, but need to make it through 5 cards, with them in position and the lead in the hand AK/AQ we are about even (slight favorite) but we are out of position and will not know where we stand if only one overcard come, an A and we are most likely beat, but a K/Q and we don't know where we are... |
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Re: Theoretical Pre-flop Capping Question
"IF MP HAS DECENT 3BETTING STANDARDS" is part of the equation. I didn't present the question with any reads, but in the absense of reads, I'm talking a typical Party 3/6 LAG game where you could throw TT/99/AJ/AT/Axs into the mix of possible MP hands. Also, what about the two callers? I'd venture that you're comfortably ahead of 2 of the three opps and your cap bet exploits the mistake of the two sub-standard hands and increases your return when you make your hand.
Also, what about the bluffing opportunity that capping presents PARTICULARLY in early position? Let's say MP does have QQ and the flop comes K or A high - good time to bet out on the flop yes? Please feel free to slap me around if I'm out of line here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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Re: Theoretical Pre-flop Capping Question
You would definitely want to cap if he has the range of 3-betting hands that you described.
[ QUOTE ] "IF MP HAS DECENT 3BETTING STANDARDS" is part of the equation. I didn't present the question with any reads, but in the absense of reads, I'm talking a typical Party 3/6 LAG game where you could throw TT/99/AJ/AT/Axs into the mix of possible MP hands. Also, what about the two callers? I'd venture that you're comfortably ahead of 2 of the three opps and your cap bet exploits the mistake of the two sub-standard hands and increases your return when you make your hand. Also, what about the bluffing opportunity that capping presents PARTICULARLY in early position? Let's say MP does have QQ and the flop comes K or A high - good time to bet out on the flop yes? Please feel free to slap me around if I'm out of line here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: Theoretical Pre-flop Capping Question
[ QUOTE ]
If MP has decent raising standards i think that capping is -EV since you are at best even money as any Q,K,A will kill your hand... [/ QUOTE ] There are two other players in the hand. I don't care if MP will have a slightly better hand than me on the average, provided that the blinds are capable of cold calling with some pretty weak hands. Assume for example that you have JJ, MP has AA-99, AKs-AJs, KQs, AKo-AQo, and the blinds have TT-22, AQs-A2s, KQs-KTs, QJs-QTs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, AQo-ATo, KQo-KJo Your equity against three opponents is 34%, and a preflop cap would make you around .36 SB (=34% x 4 SB - 1 SB). |
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Re: Theoretical Pre-flop Capping Question
a cap becomes more reasonable as your opponents 3betting hands become weaker and weaker....But against a typical 3/6 Party player i don't think many will 3bet with AT/AX/99, they may raise with them, but when it comes to getting 3bet you are usually against a stonger hand...like most poker situations given no read we can interpret/argue this forever, but it really comes down to MP's 3betting standard...However, with two coldcallers a cap cannot be very -EV if it is -EV at all...
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Re: Theoretical Pre-flop Capping Question
thanks for running the math Nate...
how much does being out of position against 3 opponents change things? Also how tricky/well your opponents play postflop will make the hand harder to play... |
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