didn't put in enough or way too much?

[M2d]

Mirage 20-40. game had started about an hour and a half ago and is now down to three handed (second game). just went off the must move status. it started as a bunch of regulars and me. they're pretty abc-ish and haven't adjusted much to the short game. they've opened up their pre-flop hands a bit, but they're still a bit weak (in general) post flop.

I'm on the SB. UTG/button open raises, I have JJ.

Now, from what I've already seen, UTG may or may not have a real hand. he's probably the more innovative of the other two. BB is tight and solid, but I'm pretty sure he'll call if he likes it, but fold if he doesn't, irregardless of the action in front of him.

I call, BB calls.

flop is 3-4-9 (I think...something like that). Checked to the raiser and he bets. I call and the BB mucks.

turn is an 8. checked to the raiser and I raise. he calls.

river is a 4. I bet and get raised. I think for a second and call.


results and my thinking to follow.

[M2d]

Preflop:
I'm a big proponent of not always jamming it preflop in short games. I think this allows me to limp a bit more with speculative hands and adds some deception to my big hands. here, I favored smooth calling because the BB was either coming or not. whether I re-popped it or not didn't matter in clearing the field. Also, from what I'd seen (I'd only played with these guys for an hour and a half, remember), the raiser was going to bet it the whole way anyway. let him lead as long as needed and raise it when it was most beneficial to me, I think.

Flop: good flop for my hand. I can bet out, check-call or check-raise. betting out is nice, as it gets money in the pot, but I can do better than this. UTG/B will bet if checked to. BB will check unless he has top pair (as far as I can tell based on his previous shorthanded play-he didn't bet underpairs for value at all, and mucked way too much). I decided to check-call. by doing this, the chips go in anyway, and I get a better idea of where the BB is.

turn:
because the SB mucked the flop, I decided to check raise here. if he called, I may have just check called to not shut him out. when it's not re-raised, I have to figure myself for the best hand.

River. bet out and get raised. can the UTG/B raise with: overpair to mine? yes. underpair to mine, but overpair to the board? yes. a set, now full? yes, trips? yes. naked bluff? yes. easy call, I think.

results:
he turns over K4 and my hand is no good.

[M2d]

i'll move it

[holdemfan]

I liked this post so I could think it thru. Your reasoning check, bet, raise was a good lesson in thinking. I was putting him on something like K4s. figured he would also know BB was apt to laydown and with possible flush/top pair he probably figured see if he could get it right there. If flush dropped he increased the pot. Was the K4 suited?

[Kooch]

First post here, but I've played the 10-20 & 20-40 at the Mirage, and have had similar experiences SH late at night (or early morning). I like the smooth call PF, but on the flop, I'd hit him with a raise then, 1. to define his hand and take control, or 2. hopefully have him lay it down if he was drawing to overcards and trying to just show strength, happily drag a decent pot. AA, KK, maybe even QQ, I'd wait until turn, but I don't feel that safe letting him draw (assuming he raised, even 3 handed, with at least one card over J) vs. JJ here. Bad beat on river for you, but as an aside, what do you do if A,K, or Q hits turn here? I'd rather not have to make that decision here with Jacks.

Kooch.