table talk

johnnytron · #1 10-07-2004, 01:19 AM

Are there any rules prohibiting talking about the cards in your hand, either truthfully or falsely, during play, or is it simply a breech of etiquette, or neither?

jdl22 · #2 10-07-2004, 01:44 AM

There's been some recent discussion of this in the Home Poker forum, take a look there.

IMO it is a breach of etiquette but it depends highly on the table atmosphere. For example, I play my roommate heads up a lot and we're constantly bullshitting back and forth about what we have. That's ok. In a more serious atmosphere it is less acceptable.

As for rules in most games it is fine but most tournaments prohibit this. If you watch last years WSOP main event there is a bit where TJ Cloutier is complaining to an unknown who has gone all-in and says "If I show you a King will that slow you down?" when he had two kings. He claims that the tournament will impose a time penalty for this type of behaviour and I believe that is correct. The difference in tournaments is that sometimes it is to your advantage for your opponents to know what you have.

GuyOnTilt · #3 10-07-2004, 01:49 AM

In tournaments, talking about your hole cards in strictly prohibited. Most places don't bar it in ring games though.

GoT

Bez · #4 10-07-2004, 08:12 AM

In a heads up situation, why should talking about your hole cards ever be forbidden? I don't see any problem with it.

FrankLu99 · #5 10-07-2004, 01:44 PM

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In tournaments, talking about your hole cards in strictly prohibited. Most places don't bar it in ring games though.

GoT

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In tournies I think you can talk about your hole cards. I think you just cant reveal them in any way.

Like I can say, "I have a good hand."
That is most likely acceptable because it does not reveal the cards. People will wonder, "Well what is good?" You can reply, "God is good!" ...oh wait wrong thread sorry

I think tournaments started preventing players from revealing hole cards in a HU situation because they did not want players to analyze how their opponents reacted to seeing or knowing what cards they had.

GuyOnTilt · #6 10-07-2004, 01:46 PM

In tournies I think you can talk about your hole cards. I think you just cant reveal them in any way.

Like I can say, "I have a good hand."

You can make general statements like that, yes, but you cannot say something like, "I have pocket Kings," or "I have Ace-Jack," while there's still action, even headsup. Doing so is considered folding.

GoT

cocarondelle · #7 10-07-2004, 04:31 PM

What if the hand is over? I 'fib' [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img] about my hand to throw people off sometimes. is that not good poker ettiquete?

golFUR · #8 10-07-2004, 05:08 PM

That is not only fine, but expected. I promise you they are are lying as well.

golFUR · #9 10-07-2004, 05:10 PM

Someone correct if I'm wrong please. I don't know about tournaments as I've only played small, local ones. I was under the impression that at the tables you were allowed to lie about your hand all day long, it was telling the truth about it that would get you in trouble. If someone is really considering a call and asks you what you have, you can tell em anything you like, but the literal truth.

Dan Mezick · #10 10-07-2004, 05:23 PM

It's a rule violation.

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Players, whether in the hand or not, may not discuss the hands until the action is complete. Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all times. Discussing cards discarded or hand possibilities is not allowed. A penalty may be given for discussion of hands during the play.

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