two overs paired board

CT11 · #1 10-01-2004, 08:47 PM

Hands like this are tough for me.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 3-bets, MP3 folds, Button folds, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (18 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks.

River: (11.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 raises, Hero folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB

Thanks,

~CT11

ArturiusX · #2 10-01-2004, 08:48 PM

I would have folded on the flop.

CT11 · #3 10-01-2004, 08:56 PM

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I would have folded on the flop.

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with 22:1?

--added-- : and closing the action?

ArturiusX · #4 10-01-2004, 09:00 PM

No flush draw, 10 isnt the best kicker, and you're drawing to overcards that probably have AK's and the like.

But thats just me :P

Ajax410 · #5 10-01-2004, 09:01 PM

I think there is a time when you can determine that you're beat. You don't have a draw...you don't have a draw to a draw...if a 10 comes you probably still aren't winning, and if a K comes you probably still aren't winning. The raise here preflop is fine, but when you got 3-bet, that was probably an indication that you were a) behind or b) dominated. When the board comes giving you NOTHING, there is a time to pack up your bags and go home.

Are big pots sexy? Yes, especially when we're a major reason why they're there.

Ed Miller says don't fold for one bet more...which is true, but generally requires you to have either something or a draw to something...you have neither. I strongly consider folding this on the flop...probably end up calling, and then most definitly enter check/fold mode - someone is going to be calling you down with at least Ace high in a pot this big.

Ajax410 · #6 10-01-2004, 09:01 PM

Arturius - I like the way you think...We said the same thing, yours was just about 1/10 the length...I'm jealous :P

AVF2k1 · #7 10-01-2004, 09:06 PM

I would probably done the same as you. As you know you are geting 22:1 to call on the flop, that's an OK call. If you are lucky you have 6 outs but I would only count the T:s as outs. Still 22:1 is ok to call such a draw.
/AVF2k1

TheRiverKnows · #8 10-01-2004, 09:26 PM

I wouldn't have raised pre-flop to begin with. I would have folded the flop as well. You don't really have any type of draw at all. If the K or T of spades comes, that could complete a flush. And you are probably dominated with both cards anyway, especially the K.

CT11 · #9 10-01-2004, 09:59 PM

I see your points ArturiusX, and Ajax410's points now. Thanks for the input.

~CT11