Price to chase on the turn

Jezebel · #1 10-01-2004, 04:38 PM

I'm interested in opinions on my turn play. Am I getting a good enough price to pull one here? What about if I am sensing that the checkraise from my left is highly probable?

Actually after looking at the hand my flop call is maybe a bit loose as well. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Button calls, Hero calls, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (20 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Button bets, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 23 BB
Main Pot: 23 BB, between Button, Hero and BB.

bernie · #2 10-01-2004, 04:54 PM

What are you putting the BB on that he's 3 betting the flop, then c/r'ing the turn?

If you 'sense' a c/r coming on the turn, figure that in to your odds of seeing the river. Factor in 2 bets to what the pot is giving you, not just one, then act 'suprised' that the bet came and call. Effective odds.

I see lots of potential tainted outs on this one. The button is calling alot of action all the way. I may let this one go on the turn given your read.

i'm also assuming the sb posts 2/3 the blind for you to make the preflop call.

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Jezebel · #3 10-01-2004, 05:49 PM

Thanks for the reply Bernie

I actually did consider effective odds believing that if I was checkraised that I would be getting about 18:2 on my call. A bit better if he only calls.
Obviously my outs are questionable. "IF" they were 100% gold I have 9 outs to 2 pair or better. Lets say I only have 5 outs. It would seem I have a close decision on the turn given that I am getting 18:2 or better. I'm just trying to see if my thinking on this hand is remotely correct.

JasonP530 · #4 10-01-2004, 05:55 PM

Dont forget that if you make 2 pair on the river and its no good, youre going to certainly call there. Im not a big fan of calling that type of hand out of position from the blind, unless more people have called preflop. It seems very likely that the BB is going to checkraise, since he 3 bet, and a blank came on the turn. Certainly a set is still ahead, as is a straight. He could have 96, because people defend with anything from the blinds. 64 at least gives you some outs to the win. I would lean towards folding, I dont think its that close. However, I can see how calling only one on the turn can seem right in the heat of battle.