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Old 09-28-2004, 06:22 AM
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Default 10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played

my friend played Turning Stone 10/20 and is questioning his play on this hand.

UTG is the opponent. He's reasonably tight but plays unsuited big cards like KTo or KJo too much. He doesn't like open-raising, so he open limps a lot in EP and MP. Basically, he's trying to play well but really doesn't know how.

Hero has A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the BB

UTG limps, 4 limpers, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets (this came as a surprise), everyone calls

Flop K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players, 18 BB)

Hero...


it's hard for him to say what the chances are that this guy was limp-reraising with AA or KK, as opposed to something worse, since he knwos the result. just assume that it's very likely, but not out of the question.
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Old 09-28-2004, 06:26 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played

18 SB. I would bet into the limp reraiser.
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Old 09-28-2004, 06:33 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played

I would think this is a good spot to check-raise. I really can't see UTG not betting here and it's unlikely that anyone will fold getting 20-1. If this is all true, he'll be getting 5-1 on his raise, when he's slightly better than 5-1 to hit the nuts on the turn. Of course there's always the possibility that UTG will 3bet and possibily knock out the field, but I wouldn't let that stop me form what seems like an obvious play.
I suppose that if the 26 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] pairs we'll have to proceed with caution. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 09-28-2004, 06:35 AM
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Why? Hope he raises and folds off the field? To clean up 3 ace outs that may not be good anyway?

I'd look to checkraise this and would be interested in a reason why one wouldn't want to trap as many callers as possible with the nut flush draw.
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Old 09-28-2004, 06:36 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played

If someone has a pair of 26s, you're farked.

I bet. Hope I can clean up some Ace outs. Not likely, but worth a shot. If it gets raised and called in more than one spot, 3-bet.

Check-raising is also a good option, but I think everyone's calling anyway.
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Old 09-28-2004, 06:38 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played

If people fold and it increases your odds of winning the pot slightly, I don't mind. If people call giving me value for my flush draw, that's good. I don't think people will fold if he raises and it gives me a chance to 3-bet.
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Old 09-28-2004, 06:45 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played

I don't understand why you wouldn't check-raise here, it seems like it's striaght out of SSH.
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Old 09-28-2004, 06:46 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played

well if he has a 90% chance of having AA or KK, then our only way of winning without the nuts 90% of the time (assuming our broadway will be the nuts, ignoring the club on the board) is runner runner TT to crack aces.
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Old 09-28-2004, 06:47 AM
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hehe, I feel the same way about betting.
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Old 09-28-2004, 06:47 AM
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Check-raising is also a good option, but I think everyone's calling anyway

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You want them to call. You'd be getting 5-1 an a draw that's like 4.7-1 to hit the nuts on the turn. Trying to clear the field here is pointless.
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