Worst Advice Ever...

Al Mirpuri · #1 09-24-2004, 09:44 AM

Play Poker Like The Pros

Hellmuth states in the Razz section that you must jam with good hands on third so that if fourth comes bad you will have the pot odds to chase. If you did not jam on third then when fourth came bad you would not have the pot odds to chase.

scotnt73 · #2 09-24-2004, 10:39 AM

worst advise ever:

always tell your spouse the truth

CarlSpackler · #3 09-24-2004, 11:34 AM

Ken Warren on limit hand selection (paraphrased):

Play any two cards which add up to 20 or 21 (i.e. J10, A9,etc.) from any position, at any type of table (passive, loose, etc.). [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

skibum · #4 09-24-2004, 12:10 PM

That seems analogous to slipping an extra bet or two as an ante into the pot just for fun. I haven't read his book, and won't buy it now that it's widely panned. I just don't trust anyone who is an expert in his field, yet refuses to read contemporary literature by acknowledged authorities because he's afraid it will dumb him down. I had considered the possibility that he was telling lies and getting paid, but apparently not. I'm no shrink, but his behavior smacks of maniacal conceit. Gifted player, but a weird dude. And they say he is real friend and a kind guy away from the table. Interesting.

JAque · #5 09-24-2004, 12:30 PM

All you need to do ask the pros what they think about his ring game skills. At UB when he plays limit games is like honey attracting flies. His book is worthless. Read Masons' review.

JAque

Beavis68 · #6 09-24-2004, 01:47 PM

Mason gave everything but the limit section a 6, hardly worthless.

Why do you think jamming with a great starting hand is bad? Maybe his reason isnt correct but why not jam with the best hand?

scotnt73 · #7 09-24-2004, 01:54 PM

jamming with any pair preflop from any position is not jamming with the best hand.

BlueBear · #8 09-24-2004, 01:55 PM

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Play Poker Like The Pros

Hellmuth states in the Razz section that you must jam with good hands on third so that if fourth comes bad you will have the pot odds to chase. If you did not jam on third then when fourth came bad you would not have the pot odds to chase.

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I don't understand why the logic above is wrong. Even before I read Hellmuth's chapter on razz, I always believed that jamming with a good low order to make the pot big (and hence you have value to chase draws) was always correct. Anybody could explain the flaws in reasoning here?

By the way, I agree that jamming with medium pairs 77,88,99 (as advocated by Hellmuth) is usually not correct, but this applies to razz.

Beavis68 · #9 09-24-2004, 02:05 PM

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jamming with any pair preflop from any position is not jamming with the best hand.

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Who would jam with pairs in Razz, we were talking about Razz right?

I think it is pretty much a given that his limit advice is too aggressive for just about any game.

scotnt73 · #10 09-24-2004, 02:20 PM

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jamming with any pair preflop from any position is not jamming with the best hand.

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Who would jam with pairs in Razz, we were talking about Razz right?

I think it is pretty much a given that his limit advice is too aggressive for just about any game.

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im sorry. i did forget we were talking about razz.