Pushing with 99 on a tight table

[ChuckNorris]

Partypoker 10+1

Was this completely standard, or do you wait for a better position / hand / later level before pushing? The table was
pretty tight, and people were protective against steals. Not much limping, but not many succesful steals either.

I suppose I'm worried that the two limpers made my steal attempt too risky. That is the reason why I went all-in instead of just raising 3BB's; I didn't want callers.

Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 8: ClintD1220 ( $1370 )
Seat 9: tazntran ( $202 )
Seat 1: zenka ( $945 )
Seat 4: TY372621 ( $50 )
Seat 2: TheBGates ( $1340 )
Seat 10: brian123321 ( $520 )
Seat 7: hero ( $997 )
Seat 5: kid4st ( $1080 )
Seat 6: PaNcReAs66 ( $1496 )

Level:4 Blinds(50/100)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ 9d 9h ]
zenka calls [100].
2 fold
kid4st calls [100].
PaNcReAs66 folds.
OlaviK is all-In.
2 fold
brian123321 is all-In.
2 fold
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, 7c, 7s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3c ]

brian123321 shows [ Kd, Ah ] two pairs, kings and sevens.
hero shows [ 9d, 9h ] two pairs, nines and sevens.
hero wins 477 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, nines and sevens.
brian123321 wins 1290 chips from the main pot with two pairs, kings and sevens.

[RobGW]

I think this is a good play. You only have 10x the big blind. A raise of 3x the BB will be a third of your stack. You don't want to do that. With two limpers there is $350 in the pot already. No one has shown strength. You still have enough chips to make people fold. If you wait too much longer you wont. Pushing here and taking down this pot would be a good result for you. Unfortunately you ran into big slick.

[ThaSaltCracka]

I agree good play.

[ilya]

I think pushing is a good play.

Raising 3xbb is no good even if you have something like 15xbb, as there are already two limpers. You'd need to raise 4-5xbb.

[Lori]

Why push into an UTG limper on a tight table with a small pair?

What would you suppose that a tight player has when he limps (I'm amazed it was only AK), do you think a tight player would limp and then fold?

Just something to consider.

Lori

[Tosh]

I limp behind.

[ilya]

Well, it's a $10, so I doubt that the table is _that_ tight. The only two hands I can see the limpers having that beat hero's are TT and JJ. But they could also easily have 66-88 or AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ, QJ, JTs. It's doubtful the limpers will call with a hand that hero dominates, but I think hero himself will be dominated rarely enough that the push is profitable. But I did some rough calculations and I think it's close. So actually I think I've changed my mind, I prefer limping. If hero's stack is 800 instead of 1000, then I think it becomes a push.

[kamelion44]

Well it's precisely because he's a tight player that he might fold. Having said that, I think I probably limp, just to see a flop, and hope for no overcards, where you can get the main chunk of your money in when you're now a 75% favorite instead of 54% or something. Also, you're not in dire shape yet. You still have almost 1k in chips, with the blinds only 50-100. I'd probably limp, see a flop, and still have enough ammo left to fight another day.

[willperkins]

I can't fault your play, but I would have limped to see a flop. WIth t997 left in chips and the blinds at 50/100, I would have been looking for a spot to be the first one in to try a steal with a bet of something like t500. I would not try to steal with two limpers already in.

[reecelights]

Not a bad play, it turned out to be a coin flip.

However, with 9 players still in and you in 5th (2 off the money), I think it's too early in the tourney to push with 99. Save a 10xBB bet for when you're 5th of 5 or 6. I would limp, and still be trying to flop a set with them. If you had limped, Button could call and BB could check. If UTG came out firing on the flop, you could get away from the hand and still have almost T$900. If you limp and catch a set (7.51-1 odds), you double or triple up.

If BB had pushed, you could then see what UTG did. Even if they fold, I might muck. I don't mind giving up 100 here because I'm patient and play pretty well short-stacked, which you're not yet. You're not short stacked until you have 5xBB.

There's plenty of time to catch a shorter stack player going all-in or catch a better hand than 99. Or, if you extract a mere 350 on a later hand from the chip leader, you're in 3rd or 4th. By pushing here you're either in 1st or 8th place. If you limp and catch, you're in 1st; limp and get away from the hand, you're still in 5th.

Then again, I'm a grinder, and probably too conservative.