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nichtgut · #1 08-28-2004, 10:57 AM

This is a hand I talked about with a friend of mine yesterday. Is it correct to fold here on the flop?
He argues that since I'm getting 13 to 1 on my call, it's a profitable call for 1 bet on the flop, since I have a backdoor flush and straight draw, but most importantly, if I spike a queen I will get action, giving me implied odds for my draw.
What do you think?

/Nicht Gut

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, MP raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, MP calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero folds, MP calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, MP bets, SB raises, MP calls.

River: (11 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, MP raises, SB calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB

Results in white below: 
SB shows Jc Js (three of a kind, jacks).
MP shows Kd 2d (straight, five high).
Outcome: MP wins 15 BB.

daryn · #2 08-28-2004, 11:41 AM

13-1 is a little low, even taking into account implied odds.

it might get raised on the flop too, my MP who raised preflop.

i'd fold [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Nemesis · #3 08-28-2004, 02:01 PM

easy fold, i think.

chio · #4 08-28-2004, 03:24 PM

raise the flop

spydog · #5 08-28-2004, 05:56 PM

Raise this flop. If you are 3-bet, then it's an easy fold. If both call, then I might check fold the turn.

chio · #6 08-29-2004, 09:02 AM

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Raise this flop. If you are 3-bet, then it's an easy fold. If both call, then I might check fold the turn.

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if the flop is 3bet, the pot will be offering you 19-1, cannot fold that for one more SB with your backdoor flush draw and 2 queens left in the deck. fold turn unimproved

spydog · #7 08-29-2004, 10:03 AM

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if the flop is 3bet, the pot will be offering you 19-1, cannot fold that for one more SB with your backdoor flush draw and 2 queens left in the deck. fold turn unimproved

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I agree. Excellent point.

daryn · #8 08-29-2004, 02:03 PM

now you're just bleeding money. fold the flop.

purnell · #9 08-29-2004, 02:17 PM

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now you're just bleeding money. fold the flop.

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No way I fold here for one bet. Raise the flop, call a three bet but not a cap, check and fold turn if unimproved and action continues.

tripdad · #10 08-29-2004, 04:34 PM

folding is nowhere near correct here on this flop. you very well may be whipped at this point, but this pot is too big to fold now. you should definitely re-raise to protect what, while highly unlikely, may be the best hand.

you have 2 queen outs, as well as backdoor flush and straight draws. you can check through or fold unimproved on the turn.

without the Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], i would likely fold on the flop.

cheers!