NL HE rules question

[BillE]

two quick questions..

blinds are 5,000-10,000. Player B the short stack.

Player A raises to 20,000.
Player B goes all in for x.
Player C calls.

how big does x have to be to allow Player A to reraise?

also,

blinds still 5,000-10,000. Player B still the short stack.

Player A raises to 20,000.
Player B goes all in for x.
Player C wants to make the minimum raise.

What is the minimum raise for values of x like.. 25,000 30,000 and 35,000?

thanks in advance.

[Rudbaeck]

x has to be 25000. A all-in raise needs to be 50% or more of the last raise to re-open betting.

For 25 and 30,000 the minimum raise is still another 10,000. (25 just re-opened raising for A if C calls. 30 definitely did that.) 35,000 then makes the minimum raise 15,000.

[Easy E]

two quick questions..

blinds are 5,000-10,000. Player B the short stack.

Player A raises to 20,000.
Player B goes all in for x.
Player C calls.

how big does x have to be to allow Player A to reraise?

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x has to be 25000. A all-in raise needs to be 50% or more of the last raise to re-open betting.



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This is the limit tournament answer, isn't it (half or better of the bet amount required)?

I thought that NL required an all-in of at least the full normal raise (here, 30,000) before reopening the betting to Player A?

If the raise had been to $50,000, I think the all-in would have to be to $90,000 to reopen the betting.

From "Robert's Rules" by Bob Ciaffone
<font color="blue"> A player who has already checked or called may not subsequently raise an all-in bet that is less than the full size of the last bet or raise. (The half-the-size rule for reopening the betting is for limit poker only.)

Example: Player A bets $100 and Player B raises $100 more, making the total bet $200. If Player C goes all in for less than $300 total (not a full $100 raise), and Player A calls, then Player B has no option to raise again, because s/he wasn't fully raised. (Player A could have raised, because Player B raised.) </font>

But check your local casino or game for their rules

[hutz]

In situation 1, the all-in would have to make it $30,000 or more for Player A to have the option to raise again.

In situations 2, I believe the short answers are $40,000 or more total ($15,000 min raise); $40,000 or more total ($10,000 min raise); and $50,000 or more total ($15,000 min raise). I believe the formula for this calculation is $current bet + $z, with $z = $current bet - $previous bet. Applying that to your examples, the all-in raise is in various amounts:

a. all-in raises to $25,000 after a raise to $20,000 from $10,000. Because the all-in raise of $5,000 more is less than the $10,000 increase between the big blind and the first raise, I calculated z based off the big blind amount, not the first raise amount. So, it's a $15,000 increase from $10,000 to $25,000, which added to the $25,000 bet creates a $40,000 minimum amount for the next raisor.

b. $30,000 - $20,000 = $10,000 raise, which added to the $30,000 bet creates a $40,000 minimum amount for the next raisor.

c. $35,000 - $20,000 = $15, 000 raise, which added to the $35,000 bet creates a $50,000 minimum amount for the next raisor.

I hope this helps.