Too Aggressive w AKo?

Shaun G · #1 08-20-2004, 11:40 AM

I was looking for some leaks in my game and found that AKo has cost me the most money of any hand.

Here are some stats on it:
Win%: 17.65
VP$IP: 94.12
PFR%: 76.42

The losses are spread evenly all around the ring, not in any one position. I know that 20 AKo hands is a small sample, but should I slow down on this specific starting hand?

Thanks
Shaun

RED_RAIN · #2 08-20-2004, 11:41 AM

I'm not looking at your stats much because you got 20 hands, and I need to see hands played out, not stats.

Entity · #3 08-20-2004, 11:43 AM

I'd post some example hands rather than just asking from the stats, because it's hard to tell. Too many things need to be taken into account to really accurately judge AKo. Your PFR doesn't seem to be high enough with it, though.

41 examples of AKo for me:

I've won $19.14 (.75BB/hand) so far with it, winning 60.98% of the time.

VPIP: 100% [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
PFR: 97.56%
WtSD: 51.43%
W$SD: 50%

When don't you raise with AKo?

Rob

Shaun G · #4 08-20-2004, 11:59 AM

Here is one that cost me. The question comes on the River against a paired board. (Note: After that session, the PT AutoRate labeled MP1 as a rock, but it was too early at the time to know.)

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, Button folds.

River: (5.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Shaun G · #5 08-20-2004, 12:05 PM

One more for thoughts:

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero caps, MP3 calls, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (25 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, SB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (16.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero folds.

River: (19.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 22.50 BB

Entity · #6 08-20-2004, 12:07 PM

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Here is one that cost me. The question comes on the River against a paired board. (Note: After that session, the PT AutoRate labeled MP1 as a rock, but it was too early at the time to know.)

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, Button folds.

River: (5.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

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Played ok, not great. Preflop raise is good; I'd bet the flop, and if you're feeling frisky, bet the turn. I'd check/fold that river against most loose opponents, especially loose/passive ones.

Rob

Gatts · #7 08-20-2004, 12:22 PM

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When don't you raise with AKo?

Rob

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I rarely raise out of the small blind, but that's probably a leak.

Entity · #8 08-20-2004, 12:25 PM

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When don't you raise with AKo?

Rob

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I rarely raise out of the small blind, but that's probably a leak.

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Yeah, I'd think that was a leak personally, but that's just me. I may be overaggressive. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Rob

RED_RAIN · #9 08-20-2004, 04:07 PM

Hand 1 - auto bet flop, huge mistake

RED_RAIN · #10 08-20-2004, 04:08 PM

Hand 2 - At this limit, don't cap AKo with so many people in, don't bet the flop, let the other guy do it