JJ against stop n go ...

imsomoney · #1 08-12-2004, 10:23 PM

I'm trying to become more agressive with pocket pairs...how did I do? BB is a loose opponent who often went too far with his hands... What about my river raise? I never know what to think when my opponent pulls the old stop n go...

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls,

Flop: (6 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB folds, BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

skierdude1000 · #2 08-12-2004, 10:31 PM

Good play, don't do this if your opponent is real tight. Turn play was good, and I'd most likely call the river bet instead of raising it

Nottom · #3 08-12-2004, 11:17 PM

Why do you keep raising, especially on the river? You did see the K and the two 9s out there right?

Greg J · #4 08-12-2004, 11:22 PM

I'm with Nottom here. I absolutely LOVE the flop bet. After that I think you have to play more cautiously: check/call.

btspider · #5 08-13-2004, 01:33 AM

flop bet is very good. rainbow flop, one overcard, only the blinds left.

if the SB didn't foolishly fold, i like the turn raise looking to fold SB and earn a free showdown. the turn raise is alright even without the SB, but it should be with the intent to take a free showdown. you don't want to shovel chips into this pot.

the river raise is terrible and I think BB is betting a weak King which just "improved" to two pair.

make a note of his play. I recently played against an odd player who could not resist leading each street. i tried 3 times to get a free showdown, but kept being bet into on the river. if he's been doing this all night, do not raise the turn.

cartoonsoldier · #6 08-13-2004, 01:57 AM

Good turn raise, just call the river.

Atropos · #7 08-13-2004, 04:31 AM

I dont like the turn raise, and I dont like the river raise. The pot is small and he suddenly bets into you at the turn. In the end you are investing 4BB to win 8.5BB if i calculated right, and I think the chance that he has you beat after betting into you 2times, even at the river after being raised, is at least 60%.

kenewbie · #8 08-13-2004, 04:40 AM

I like the turn raise if you intend to take a free showdown. It's a small margin there where you vaule bet a J and just check behind on any other card.

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imsomoney · #9 08-13-2004, 08:46 AM

I agree that the river raise was a really bad move...probably made out of frustration. I was thinking he probably had a hand like A9 or A5 or maybe two hearts...but he was actually holding AK to win the hand. The reason I raised the turn is because I've noticed that loose agressive players will often bet into me (and any tight player) after a PF raise when they assume the flop missed me. In retrospect, with a K on the board, this would have been a risky move for him to make without a decent holding...I just hate slowing down and seeing 52o at showdown... (My emotions speaking again...)

imsomoney · #10 08-13-2004, 08:50 AM

Let's say the positions were reversed and I was acting first in this hand. I bet the flop and the BB calls. Do I then check/call the turn and river? At what point is it safe to play like I might be behind? I have a tendency to keep betting unless raised, and I don't think that's right....