Folding AK pre flop

fnord_too · #1 07-31-2004, 10:32 PM

10K stack (150% of average), blinds 150/300

AKo 3 to the left of the BB

utg, very strong player who has me covered by 1 or 2 k opens for 900.

I think for a couple of secs and muck.

There are about 80 people left at this point, top 20 pay.

Too fearful? I hate getting involved with a good player who is showing strength with only the nut nothing, especially when he can bust me. Thoughts?

Roman · #2 07-31-2004, 10:56 PM

if you are scared, then flat call and go from there.

fnord_too · #3 07-31-2004, 11:15 PM

I don't like flat calling. AK looses a lot of it's pre flop value if there is no chance of folding your opponent. Against most of the people in that tourney, I raise there, but im not sure about what to do against an utg raise from a good player. Here's some thoughts:

He has AA, KK, QQ, JJ or AQ I think. AQ I'm in great shape, AK even, and the rest I'm behind of. So, 12 I am ahead of, 9 I'm tied with, 3 I'm waaay behind, 3 I'm well behind, and 32 I'm slightly behind. I'm not sure he lays down QQ or JJ, I doubt he does here. I don't know, was not a pleasant decision. AK was my trouble hand all night, lost most of my stack a while later when I played AK horribly after a missed flop against pocket 7's.

renodoc · #4 08-01-2004, 03:52 AM

Well, this seemed like a good pre-flop lay down to me. I mean, I took forever to call the first player, and then get reraised. (Except for the fact that any decent player would have seen that I was pot committed.) Idiocy again.... $30 MTT with 628 entrants.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (10 handed)

MP3 (t2185)
CO (t840)
Button (t495)
Hero (t1750)
BB (t3605)
UTG (t1225)
UTG+1 (t645)
UTG+2 (t945)
MP1 (t625)
MP2 (t1290)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to t1290 (All-In), MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls t1280, BB raises to t3605 (All-In), UTG folds, Hero folds.

Flop: (t6205) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t6205) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t6205) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t6205
Main Pot: t3890 (t3890), between BB and MP2. > Split: BB (t1945), MP2 (t1945).
Pot 2: t2315 (t2315), returned to BB.

Results in white below: 
BB shows Qh Qc (two pair, queens and fours).
MP2 shows Qd Qs (two pair, queens and fours).
Outcome: BB wins t4260. MP2 wins t1945.

Tosh · #5 08-01-2004, 04:49 AM

You had the easiest fold ever first time around.

betgo · #6 08-13-2004, 04:46 PM

I can't see folding AK to a single raise. If the pot is reraised to you, then folding is often correct. Depending on the table conditions, a lot of people limp with AA or KK UTG, so I'm not sure how likely he has one of those hands. Although it is a standard move with AK and avoids playing a flop with an opponent you fear, it is probably too dangerous to reraise allin given the ratio of the pot to yor chips. Going allin would be OK if you think he would probably limp with aces. You will have position. Given the raise was UTG and you are afraid of the raiser, flat calling might be a cautious choice.

You say this guy is a good player. Is he a solid player? Sometimes, because everyone assumes UTG raisers have big hands, people will put in loose raises hoping to pick up the blinds. If I'm playing with a table of players like you, I will raise a lot from early position.

fnurt · #7 08-13-2004, 05:05 PM

Doesn't every hand lose a lot of value if there is no chance of your opponent folding? Nevertheless, not every hand is push or fold.

Calling is less than 10% of your stack here, I don't think you should feel that bad about it.

JayKon · #8 08-13-2004, 05:13 PM

You called 1290 out of your 1750 and then laind the hand down for 460 more into a pot theat was 3500?

I either fold to the all-in raise, or call everything.

durron597 · #9 08-13-2004, 05:18 PM

You have to raise to 2500-2700. If he comes back over the top you can fold.

sdplayerb · #10 08-13-2004, 05:32 PM

why do you "have to"?