Big Hand - If there was no capping HU, how many re-raises do you do?

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I don't think I could play this hand much differently. The question then is if there was no capping HU (like in a casino), how many re-raises would you go against a reasonable opponent on the river, before calling?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (14.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">UTG+2 caps</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23.25 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 23.25 BB, between Hero and UTG+2.</font>

Results to come later in the day...

[adanthar]

About 3 more rounds. If one of the spades was a club or if the J was an 8...about ten more rounds.

[bisonbison]

What is your read of UTG+2? It is kind of important here.

I would go to the felt.

[Aces McGee]

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About 3 more rounds. If one of the spades was a club or if the J was an 8...about ten more rounds.

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What does any of that have to do with it?

-McGee

[Songwind]

Straight flush draw

[MoreWineII]

I can't imagine UTG+2 not showing more aggression on earlier streets if he flopped the straight flush. And wouldn't AKs probably 3-bet PF?

I could see him playing 10-10 like this though. Still, I'm going a few more rounds before I'm ready to concede quads.

[arkady]

I agree with bison, the read is important - but if I were to generalize MORE 2/4ers would limp in with TT then they would with AKs. However, there is just as strong of a possibility that you might be up against 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

So there are 3 possible hands that beat your FH. By breaking it down however, I can see that UTG+1 is not slow playing, anyone flopping a str8 flush is not going to raise the flop, no way, no how. Let alone bet on the turn with it - just don't believe that.

The guy slows down immediately on the turn raise and then goes buck wild on the river. He just got his 1 outer man.

You are up against quads.

I would put in 2 more raises and call it quits.

[Keats13]

I agree that reads would be useful here. As it is, there are 4 hands that can beat you. A good player will muck two of them from UTG+2 (K9s, 98s) and raise the other two (AKs, TT). If the player is known to be loose, he may have limped with the first two, and if passive, the 2nd two. Also, I don't think someone who will limp those hands will slowplay the flop. The exception being TT, as check/calling a set would fit with the passive style.

Hands that could cap the river that you're ahead of: QT(2), JT(6), T5(6), JJ(3), 55(3). That's 20 hands, although 9 of them (the T5 and 55 hands) are pretty unlikely, and the JJ would have been played very passively. I could definitely see QT or JT playing this way, though.

I'd like to say I'd go to the felt also, but depending on how far away "the felt" was, I'd probably wimp out and call a 6-bet. Maybe, if I was feeling especially bold, I'd 7-bet and call an 8-bet.

[MoreWineII]

I didn't even think of 89s. Bleh.

But given this action:

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) J, T, Q (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (14.25 BB) T (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 caps, Hero calls.

I wouldn't put UTG+2 on a flopped straight flush. At the very least, he's going to try and get some more turn action. Although he *did* get two bets out of you guys.

I agree with arkady, except UTG+1 folded so he doesn't have quads. I think UTG+2 does though. You're probably up against 10-10. That's a hand he'd limp with PF. It's a hand he'd call the flop with. And it's a hand he might chicken out on the turn with. And it's a hand he'd blow his wad with on the river.

If it fits, you must say "oh {darn}."

[sthief09]

if he beat you, he either drastically underplayed a flopped set of tens, or retardedly slowplayed a straight or royal flush. neither is that likely.