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Old 07-27-2004, 03:20 AM
bicyclekick bicyclekick is offline
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Default QJ out of the bb

UTG+1 is a big fish. At a different table he called my UTG raise UTG+1 with T8o. no read on mp1.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (5.66 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Anyone hate my flop bet? I have midpair, a gutshot, a backdoor flush draw. I wasn't that comfortable doing it but i still kinda liked it.

Turn: (5.83 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (11.83 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero goes for the check raise or bets? I wont say what I did, but I don't think the answer is all that close in hindsite.
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Old 07-27-2004, 03:27 AM
Garland Garland is offline
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Default Re: QJ out of the bb

If UTG+1 has the obvious flush or straight on the turn, there's no reason to believe he's going to check it on the river. Check-raise time! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. Just try to keep the saliva from hitting the felt.

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Old 07-27-2004, 03:40 AM
Nightwish Nightwish is offline
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Default Re: QJ out of the bb

I don't see the point of the flop bet. You really think you have the best hand here or, if not, can get everyone to fold?

The river is actually close, but only because the guy who raised the turn is a total fish, so he could be raising with less than a straight/flush, like Party fish very often seem to do. The cold-caller might scare him, so I think there's a real danger that the fish will check. I would bet.
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Old 07-27-2004, 05:54 AM
DeeJ DeeJ is offline
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Default Re: QJ out of the bb

I'm betting. Checking this through would be a catastrophe. If he is a fish with flush/str8 he may well raise you anyway and you can 3-bet....
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Old 07-27-2004, 08:52 AM
FoxRiverPlayer FoxRiverPlayer is offline
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Default Re: QJ out of the bb

Check-raise the river. MP will probably bet if the fish fails to (I think MP has a straight). It's a great situation because either the fish bets and MP is trapped for 2 bets, or MP bets, you check-raise and the fish calls 2 cold.
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Old 07-27-2004, 09:29 AM
lostinthought lostinthought is offline
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Default Re: QJ out of the bb

Glad this one worked out for you, but I think I am just check calling on the flop. However, betting out seems to disguise your hand a bit.

River - I go for the check-raise hoping that UTG bets, MP1 calls, and that you can trap both of them for another.
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Old 07-28-2004, 04:27 PM
RED_RAIN RED_RAIN is offline
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Default Re: QJ out of the bb

From what you write about your opponent, the play of your opponent on the flop and turn, I would be willing to guess you can bet the river and he would raise, and you can 3 bet, and I wouldn't be surprised if he capped. I think MP1 will just fold when it's 2 bets to him thinking you will likely 3 bet.
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Old 07-28-2004, 04:46 PM
bicyclekick bicyclekick is offline
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Default Re: QJ out of the bb

It got checked through. mp1 had KT and utg+1 had T8.

I think I was being results oriented perhaps when I was saying I don't think it was that close. I really think I should check raise, here. It's jsut too bad it wiffed.
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