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Old 07-24-2004, 07:03 AM
kismet kismet is offline
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Default $4/$8 - Does it send a bad message to lay this down?

At our local $4/$8 table there are two guys who play fairly tight, and super aggressive. They let their ego run their betting a lot. I always sense an aura of "He can't be playing a dominating hand, he only plays inferior hands because I am a better player". As such, I try and play premium hands against these two and then nail them for big pots. Yesterday the following hand came up...

$4/$8 Limit Holdem - $1/$2 blinds
I'm in the CO with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
4 Folds
CO+1 Raises
I Reraise in CO
Button 3 bets (aformentioned TAG)
SB folds
BB folds
CO+1 Folds
I call (He is still tight and might have JJ QQ)
Flop - A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I bet
Button Raises
I 3 bet
Button Calls (I put him on AQ, AJ, or AT)
Turn - Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I bet
Button says "lets see if I can slow you down one time", and raises
I knew he knew I had a big hand. I was betting so fast and strong that this statment meant he wanted at least a call, and there was no way he actually wanted me to slow down. I glanced back at the board and was %90 percent sure he had AQ. Not 4 hands ago the other TAG had raised me all the way with a dominated hand and spiked a 3 outer on the river. I really didn't wanna give this hand up even though I knew he had me beat. Does it send the wrong message to laydown here? Will he think he can get me to fold good hands with a raise on the turn? Should I call the two more bets in case he has AK? I'll post the outcome of the hand tommorrow.
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Old 07-24-2004, 07:11 AM
WillMagic WillMagic is offline
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Default Re: $4/$8 - Does it send a bad message to lay this down?

You better be damn sure that you are beat if you are going to lay this down, because this pot is huge. I call down here every time. Granted, you are probably beat, but I think you win enough times here to make calling down correct. Plus, it presents the image problem you mentioned. If you make the laydown here, people are going to start bluffing you more, and that is going to make your decisions a lot more difficult. Call down and pray.

Will
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Old 07-24-2004, 07:28 AM
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Default Re: $4/$8 - Does it send a bad message to lay this down?

I would say call this down especially if they let their ego run their betting.

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Old 07-24-2004, 08:30 AM
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Default Re: $4/$8 - Does it send a bad message to lay this down?

Call it down bro, and its a not a image issue either. Although that comes into play also [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-24-2004, 12:06 PM
HajiShirazu HajiShirazu is offline
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Default Re: $4/$8 - Does it send a bad message to lay this down?

Indeed, call down. You don't want the guy to think that he can make plays like this against you in the future when he doesn't spike a 3-outer. Plus, you may still be ahead.
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Old 07-24-2004, 04:41 PM
kismet kismet is offline
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Default Re: $4/$8 - Does it send a bad message to lay this down?

Alright.. enough votes for call it down.
I did infact call his turn raise.
River - K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I quickly check
He Bets
I Raise
He Quickly Calls and says "Aces and Queens"
I say "Aces and Kings"
Him : "What a F*@!ing river, didn't my turn raise scream that you were beat?! Keep playing like that"
I held back a few choice words about hypocracy, and instead said "Sorry, I'm kinda new at this". Score one for the good guys I guess.
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Old 07-24-2004, 08:32 PM
Bob T. Bob T. is offline
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Default Re: $4/$8 - Does it send a bad message to lay this down?

Him : "What a F*@!ing river, didn't my turn raise scream that you were beat?! Keep playing like that"


And you didn't say 'F*@!ing turn, didn't my flop play indicate that you were beat? Keep playing like that!' [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 07-24-2004, 09:04 PM
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Default Re: $4/$8 - Does it send a bad message to lay this down?

"Sorry, I'm kinda new at this".

i like this.
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Old 07-24-2004, 09:25 PM
Richard Berg Richard Berg is offline
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Default Re: $4/$8 - Does it send a bad message to lay this down?

[ QUOTE ]
"Sorry, I'm kinda new at this".

i like this.

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