QTs in the BB in a 15-30.

[Philuva]

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed). No read on either of these players.

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $15.
<font color="CC3333">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO (poster) calls, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.66 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (8.33 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (11.33 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>

Check or bet the river? And do you play the other streets differently?

[Diplomatdcm]

Hey Phil,
I call PF, fold the flop, C-R the river. And any games going on?
Dave

[DcifrThs]

UTG raised so he's likely got a good hand...if hes been folding JJ or 99 on that kinda flop then i'd say bet, if not, check fold.

turn easy check call.

river bet out call a raise or c-r but i think im leaning towards c-r.

-Barron

[Philuva]

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river bet out call a raise or c-r but i think im leaning towards c-r.

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If you think your 2-pair are good on the river to c-r, why would you check fold the flop with the backdoor flush and straight draws to go with your 5 outs for 2 pair or trips?

[DcifrThs]

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river bet out call a raise or c-r but i think im leaning towards c-r.

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If you think your 2-pair are good on the river to c-r, why would you check fold the flop with the backdoor flush and straight draws to go with your 5 outs for 2 pair or trips?

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b/c im getting 6.5:1 on the flop and the effective odds if i dont hit the turn aren't worth me going all the way with the hand given that im likely in a heap of trouble right now and need a Q or T to make a hand and a 9, j, A to make a draw or 1 of 10 hearts to make a draw.
(obviously i call if its only 1 bet back to me on the flop though...)

-Barron

[lostinthought]

I'd call one on the flop but not two. Is this too tight?

I think more often than not your 2 pair is good. Go for the check raise on the river.

[Ulysses]

I think I'd fold on the flop most times.

[Nightwish]

Fold the flop. It's not clear if Q is an out because KQ is a real possibility, and you're going to really hate it if UTG 3-bets.

[Philuva]

I thought the flop was a call given the backdoor outs to go with my middle pair, but I could be wrong. I still think if you feel you should CR the river with 2-pair then you should call the flop, but I could be wrong.

I did plan to go for the river CR. Although if UTG bet and MP1 called, I would have just overcalled. In the acutal hand, it got checked through.

UTG had JJ, MP1 had AA and my hand was good. I am very surprised MP1 did not bet the river.

Thanks for the replies,
Phil

[1800GAMBLER]

I guess it's just me in the call camp again.