5 hands for review..

kem · #1 07-19-2004, 01:27 PM

I'm trying not to be too results-oriented, but I don't feel that I played these hands well. Any comments are welcome.

Hand 1: Was this a horrible fold on the flop? Note the raise and cold-call before I fold..

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (7 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP1 (poster) checks, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, Button calls, SB folds, Hero folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Button calls, MP1 calls.

River: (11.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Button bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB
Main Pot: 14.50 BB, between MP1, MP2 and Button. > Pot won by MP2 (14.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
MP1 shows 5d 5s (two pair, kings and fives).
MP2 shows Ad Js (two pair, aces and kings).
Button shows 8c Ac (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: MP2 wins 14.50 BB. 

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Hand 2: Is this a -EV bet on the river? Should I just check when the flush card hits?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks,

Flop: (4.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button folds, BB folds.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

River: (5.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB
Main Pot: 9.25 BB, between Hero and MP2. > Pot won by MP2 (9.25 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows 8h 8d (three of a kind, eights).
MP2 shows Qd 5d (flush, queen high).
Outcome: MP2 wins 9.25 BB. 

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Hand 3: Was I too aggressive? Too passive? I go back and forth debating how I should have played this.. Maybe raised pre-flop?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks,

Flop: (6 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (12 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB
Main Pot: 14 BB, between Hero and BB. > Pot won by BB (14 BB).

Results in white below: 
BB shows 3d Kh (full house, kings full of threes).
Hero shows Ks Jh (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: BB wins 14 BB. 

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Hand 4: Should I have capped the turn here? Before I get flamed for the raise pre-flop (or being in this hand at all), UTG was playing 90+% of his hands, so I thought he had nothing and I had a good chance of isolating him or having everyone fold after my raise.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 5 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, BB calls, UTG folds, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (13 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (8 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, Button folds, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.

River: (16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18 BB
Main Pot: 18 BB, between Hero and SB. > Pot won by SB (18 BB).

Results in white below: 
SB shows Ks Kd (full house, kings full of tens).
Hero shows Qh Td (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: SB wins 18 BB. 

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Hand 5: What's your move on the river? And in hindsight, should I have raised this flop?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (14 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

River: (15 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB calls, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, Hero calls, SB 3-bets, BB folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 28 BB
Main Pot: 28 BB, between MP2, MP3, Hero and SB. > Pot won by SB (28 BB).

Results in white below: 
SB shows Qc 5c (full house, fives full of queens).
MP2 shows 5d 2d (three of a kind, fives).
MP3 shows 9h Kh (two pair, kings and fives).
Hero shows Ac Jc (straight, ace high).
Outcome: SB wins 28 BB. 

Thanks!

kgrad5 · #2 07-19-2004, 01:50 PM

Hand 1: do not fold, the raise could just as likely have been for 56, see the turn and fold unimproved

Hand 2: played fine, nothing you could do here

Hand 3: i probably would have folded pf, I also probably would have folded the the 3 bet on the turn, he is not afraid of trip kings and your drawing against a made hand or perhaps a better kicker

Hand 4: i do not raise with QTo you cannot isolate in .50/1 on party .. i fold, i also fold to the turn 3-bet, hes not afraid of trip 10

Hand 5: played fine given the pot odds

btspider · #3 07-19-2004, 01:54 PM

Hand 1: Call the raise, check-fold the turn unimproved. You have implied odds to hit your set.

Hand 2: Easy value bet on the river.

Hand 3: I'd raise or fold preflop depending on UTG and UTG+1 tightness (generally raise). You want the button for free card potential. KJo doesn't do too well multi-way so you also don't want the blinds coming along. When its heads-up, maybe cap the flop. Call down or get one more raise (on turn or wait until the river) depending on your opponent.

Hand 4: I still fold PF if the blinds are loose. QT doesn't have the greatest showdown without improvement potential unless you can get this heads-up.

Hand 5: Call flop is fine. You have great relative position to the flop bettor, so you can raise the field when you hit or call closing the action as you did. Unexpected river action when it comes to you at 2-bets. Going for overcalls isn't too bad.

In the future, you may not want to reveal information beyond your decision point. Your post definitely has a results oriented feel to it.

Bill Smith · #4 07-19-2004, 02:01 PM

You'll probably get more responses by posting fewer hands and/or opening up a new thread for some.

Hand 1: On the flop, you're getting 16:1 pot odds to call for a 2-outer, but I would still call )then fold the turn unimproved) because you know you'll get action if you hit one of the two kings. (implied odds) Nothing wrong with the fold though...

Hand 2: Nope, you played it right.

Hand 3: This isn't a strong enough hand to raise preflop except as a steal-raise. Tough break. Played correctly.

Hand 4: Even with your disclaimer about raising QTo, I'm noticing a trend lately to try to steal-raise from the CO position, and it seems to be working against a lot of people. That said, this looks fine.

Hand 5: Nothing would've been complished by raising the flop.

kem · #5 07-19-2004, 02:18 PM

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Hand 4: I still fold PF if the blinds are loose. QT doesn't have the greatest showdown without improvement potential unless you can get this heads-up.

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I think the QTo raise was not necessarily a great move, but at the time I was thinking that the table was tight enough that the blinds would likely fold, and UTG was really calling with any 2 cards pre-flop (and in fact, he did fold when 3-bet around to him).

If this were suited, would you have raised? What's the minimum hand you raise with in this position (i.e. very loose EP caller, folded around to you in the CO).

kem · #6 07-19-2004, 02:30 PM

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Hand 3: i probably would have folded pf, I also probably would have folded the the 3 bet on the turn, he is not afraid of trip kings and your drawing against a made hand or perhaps a better kicker

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You fold KJo pre-flop from the CO in an 8-handed game? You must play much tighter than I do.

I debated folding on the turn, but I have seen too many maniacs at 0.5/1.0 who treat Ax or Kx like AK. I thought there was a reasonable chance that he held KJ, KT, K8s, K7s, etc. At the point where he 3-bets the turn, there are 11BB in the pot. I'm expecting to put in 1 BB here, and one more on the river, to possibly win 14.. that's 1:6, so I need to be able to win 15% of the time. Maybe I underestimate the play at this level, but I thought I was better off making the call.. obviously I'm not too sure, otherwise I wouldn't be posting here.

btspider · #7 07-19-2004, 02:32 PM

QJo, QTs on the button I'd raise. The CO is a different animal altogether if the button stays in, so you need more caution. Axs, KQ, KJ, KT could be raised from the CO. The Q high can just be problematic if someone is loose in the blinds or UTG with Kx and Ax.

EDIT: QJs -> QJo

kgrad5 · #8 07-19-2004, 02:35 PM

well its debatable but i would like it more if you were on the button because if you get raised by the button theres a very good chance you have a dominated hand, my original post said that i sometimes play sometimes fold, im definately not too tight [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] i play too much as it is hah
but if there is a good player there who is raising you are most likely beaten but KQ or AK, i dunno, others opinions on this? i dont like KJo so much i always lose to KQ hah

btspider · #9 07-19-2004, 02:37 PM

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You fold KJo pre-flop from the CO in an 8-handed game? You must play much tighter than I do.

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How do you play KQo and KJo from UTG? There is a huge difference between the two. Would you also play KTo here (the CO hand)?

kem · #10 07-19-2004, 02:46 PM

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How do you play KQo and KJo from UTG? There is a huge difference between the two. Would you also play KTo here (the CO hand)?

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Are we talking 10-handed, or 8-handed? 10-handed, unless the table were extremely extremely passive, I'd fold KJo UTG. I'd probably call KQo if the table is typical passive. If it's aggressive, I'd fold. I'd play KTo on the button, maybe/maybe not in the CO, depending on the callers in front of me.

8-handed, I'd loosen up my starting hands a tiny bit.