Is the Foxwoods NL100 rake beatable?

[ClimbRock512]

After discussing this among a few buddies, I think that the rake is not able to be beaten. Check out the math.

Max Buy-in = $100
Blinds = $1/2
25 hand per hour
4 hours = 100 hands
4 hours = $40 in rake
20 Big Blinds/100 hands = $40

Doesn't seem attainable. But that is based on 25 hands per hour. Is that unreasonable? With the dealer constantly switching, the collecting of the rake, and the counting of the deck everytime a dealer switches, I'd be surpised to see 25 hands per hour.

[fimbulwinter]

i hope im not being an idiot here, but those calculations assume that you, the single player, are paying all that rake. in reality the rake is split between 10 (or nine in some cases) players at a poker table, making the cost 2BB/100 hands, which, particularly at small NL such as you mentioned, can be attained. (my last trip, as an admittedly terrible NL player, i was able to average 6BB/hr at such a game due to the sheer lack of skill of my oponents, and their drinking: ie was called on a preflop all-in reraise with KK by Q 10 offsuit, etc.)
in addition, a tight/aggressive player will either win a pot preflop by raising (thus no drop, no rake payed by player; this is very common in NL, so not all 100 hands are raked by any means) or take down a very large pot once in a very long while, so he pays very much less rake than the maniacs/loose players.
just my two cents, hope it helps someone/anyone. if i'm wrong, will one of the poker ninjas who are so kind as to share their knowledge with the board please correct me.

fim

[fimbulwinter]

i just realized that perhaps the poster is talking about a fee-per-hour (i've never played at foxwoods) and not a rake. if that is the case and it is 10 dollars an hour to play in that game, i'd certainly look elsewhere.

[Justin A]

You're saying they charge $10 per hour to play? If that's the case it would be very tough to beat, and if you did it would be for a tiny amount.

Justin A

[morgant]

yes, the drop is $5 per 30 minutes, which is atrociously expensive. but there is ALWAYS a couple tables of this game going with lists......so why wouldn't they charge this amount?

[Justin A]

That's good business of course. My next question has to do with the quality of play. At the Sycuan Casino near San Diego where I play, the level of play in the 1-2 game is absolutely awful. The rake is a flat $3 per hand that makes it to the flop. However, even with the high rake this game is extremely beatable. If the game at Sycuan was played with a $10 per hour time charge, I still think it would be easily beatable. So how good is the level of play at Foxwoods?

Justin A

[ClimbRock512]

Yes, it is pay to play fee of $5/half hour.

The dealing is very slow too due to collecting the fee, counting it, the pit boss coming to get it, collecting that... yada yada yada.

The game is very soft, but I think exceeding 20BB/100 hands is unreal.

I've only played it once. I'm 18 so spending the night there isn't as easy as it is for the rest of you. I lost money that night to an outdraw and a riverjob that I had to fold after dumping like $60 in chips. Regardless, the rake is very tough to beat. For those looking to play lower limit poker, the 4/8 Hold'em is supposedly very very soft, many tourists and stuff.

[playerfl]

that sounds like something you would do just for the novelty of playing no limit in a casino, certainly not going to be profitable on a regular basis.

[JSD]

The Lucky Chances baby NL game ($100max buyin) charges $6/half hour. There are several people who play in the game almost every day and appear to be making money at it. The players are THAT bad.

[Ghazban]

I've only played it once but it was extremely soft; lots of pushing with really marginal hands like TPGK or bottom 2 pair. I was up about $350 after 3 hours and only left because I was so tired (took a beating at the 4/8 game most of the day and needed some sleep). The rake is horrible but the play is even worse so, in the long run, I think its beatable. I didn't have a single big hand not get paid off all evening. Of course, this was just one time playing so not much of a sample size. I've read other posts here saying its beatable long-term due to the fishy nature of the other players but I think the 5-5 game is probably better if you have the bankroll for it.