QQ and 98o

dana33 · #1 07-09-2004, 12:49 AM

In the following hand, did I display the proper level of aggression versus caution on each street? The 3-bet on the flop made me slow down and worry about AA or KK. Should it have? Or should I have kept firing away? (I had just sat down and had no specific read on the BB.)

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, Hero raises, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds, Hero caps, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (25 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 29 BB

Results in white below: 
BB shows Ac Kc (high card, ace).
UTG shows Ts Kd (one pair, tens).
Hero shows Qh Qd (one pair, queens).
Button shows Tc Kh (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 29 BB. 

On the following hand, I jammed the flop because I figured I had the best hand, but that holding the bottom end of the straight made me vulnerable to someone with a K or A. Would just calling the flop raise with the intent to checkraise the turn have been better?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG calls, MP2 calls, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero shows 8c 9s (straight, queen high).
MP2 shows Jd Ad (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.50 BB.

Bill Smith · #2 07-09-2004, 01:17 AM

I would've played both the same way. Nobody represented anything so big as AK in the second hand, so you're jamming the pot until somebody pushes back with a danger card on board. Nice hands.

TBone · #3 07-09-2004, 01:19 AM

Hand one is fine, but I wouldn't cap everytime with QQ.

Hand 2, I'd call the flop bet and check raise the turn. 3-betting the flop in most scenarios won't get anyone to fold since the raise came from the person directly on your left. That said, you're getting more money in the pot, but you could probably get even more money in the pot by calling and checkraising the turn--especially if the K or A doesn't come.

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Songwind · #4 07-09-2004, 07:18 AM

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Flop: (4 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG calls, MP2 calls, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

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I'd love to know what BB was doing here. The proper play, even after Hero pops him back, would be to call and then check/fold the turn unimproved, right?

I mean, you don't want to raise a hand you have to lay down to a re-raise on the flop, do you?

HajiShirazu · #5 07-09-2004, 07:34 AM

In hand 1, you need to be more aggressive, because the pot is so huge that inducing even one fold by a hand with any outs at all against you is absolutely great for you. Even getting someone to fold a pocket underpair should make you jump for joy.
I would have called the 3-bet on the flop and raised the turn, you still don't have much power to get somebody to make a fold even by forcing them to call two big bets on the turn, but at least you MIGHT be able to deny a couple people the chance to see the river with something like a single overcard.

chief444 · #6 07-09-2004, 07:52 AM

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I'd love to know what BB was doing here. The proper play, even after Hero pops him back, would be to call and then check/fold the turn unimproved, right?

I mean, you don't want to raise a hand you have to lay down to a re-raise on the flop, do you?

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It's unusual, but not necessarily wrong. As an example, I was playing a month or so ago and had the following hand come up:
A total rock (tight/passive, only raises with very strong hands) raises pf from EP. Folded to me and I 3-bet with AKs. He calls and heads-up action. Flop is K-J-x rainbow. He bets, I raised, He 3-bet, I folded. I knew even before he flipped his cards face up on the table that it was a good fold. He would have bet the flop with a couple of hands I beat or split with but when he 3-bet I knew I needed a runner-runner.