KK Looks Good, But Everybody Loves The Flop

ninjaunderwear · #1 10-07-2005, 02:18 PM

Recently joined, no reads yet.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls, SB caps, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero ???

After a tame pre-flop, everyone really seemed to like that flop, especially SB.

Rank in order from best to worst: Raise, call, and fold.

Also, what is our plan for the river?

hemstock · #2 10-07-2005, 02:19 PM

I call down.
Call 1 bet on the river.
Fold 2 or more, and fold to an Ace.

MrWookie47 · #3 10-07-2005, 02:21 PM

If MP has half a brain, you can probably fold to a club, too.

crownjules · #4 10-07-2005, 03:25 PM

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If MP has half a brain, you can probably fold to a club, too.

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No more Ralphie!?! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

EDIT: I just actually watched the clip. Hilarious.

Fantam · #5 10-07-2005, 02:28 PM

1.Call
2.Raise
3.Fold

It looks like SB has a decent hand and either made a set or 2 pair on the flop. I imagine 33 or 66 is the most likely.

You have 8 outs to improve by the river against 2 pair, and 2 outs against a set.

I would call the turn, and call the river unimproved in case your hand is good.

(Unless say a 3rd [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] fell on the river or the board paired and there was betting and raising in front of me, in which case I would fold.)

DCWildcat · #6 10-07-2005, 02:37 PM

Oi. I like calling down.

#7 10-07-2005, 02:51 PM

Grunch

I'd most likely put SB on a set, and UTG on a Flush draw A-x suited. Think you're WB. Pot odd aren't there for 2 outs. Either fold now, or call down.

ninjaunderwear · #8 10-07-2005, 03:18 PM

It became quite apparent I was way behind after the heavy action on the seemingly ragged flop. With that in mind, what are our reasons for calling down as opposed to folding?

Nightbrace · #9 10-07-2005, 08:58 PM

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It became quite apparent I was way behind after the heavy action on the seemingly ragged flop. With that in mind, what are our reasons for calling down as opposed to folding

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You call down because many players play and raise with draws and some players even raise and re-raise with nothing. Its worth a call-down. I agree the flop hit someone, most likely a set, but its still okay to call down, this is where reads come into play, with no reads however I don't see folding as an option, did you forget about A10, K10, a lot would call a raise and re-raise with them on the flop. But the turn helped no one. If things get out of hand on the turn,, like if you get re-raised with a blank, its okay to fold then. Calling a re-raise on the turn is about a 50/50 in my opinion, not that easy, but calling here I think is completely standard. Against a mouse I'd fold the re-raise on the turn and call against a shark. Sharks play flush draws agressively. And if he misses on the River as well you can value bet and pick up an even larger pot.

Nightbrace · #10 10-07-2005, 09:01 PM

Also, if they have 2 pair on the flop, thy can get counterfeited if the board pairs on the river. Too much money in the pot is the bottom line,. remember you "could" be ahead in this hand even.