lost with an overpair

[Bluff Daddy]

how much would you raise?

[citanul]

i'm really hoping that he says "to about 200"

citanul

[The Yugoslavian]

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how much would you raise?

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~130. And with no reads call an allin as this is an 11 or 22 I'm assuming. I'm most likely stuffing the turn.

Yugoslav

[abcd1234]

Fold - what chance is JJ to win against 5 other players (even giving them random hands) when in most cases the only players who will stay in past the flop will have you beat or you will be a small favorite to beat.

[mike28]

Raise it up df scott
Then when the turn shows no club:
Pull the trigger kid

[stupidsucker]

510 chips means raise this preflop IMO.

As for in this spot on the flop I throw back a minraise and call an all-in HU but not 3way. If I am cold called I push the turn with no ace and no club.

[dfscott]

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i dunno how much i like this "you just want to take it down becaue there's 1/4 of the deck that's kinda scary." homey needs chips. homey needs to put aside fear sometimes, and let people draw with cruddy odds. if all else fails, raise enough to committ youself.

citanul

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I think this is a key concept. I've gotten over the fear of throwing all my chips in with what might be the second best hand with outs. But I have difficultly doing the opposite (i.e., putting in a "proper-sized" raise and letting them make a bad call). As a result, I push too much and get into "win small, lose big" situations.

[dfscott]

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510 chips means raise this preflop IMO.

As for in this spot on the flop I throw back a minraise and call an all-in HU but not 3way. If I am cold called I push the turn with no ace and no club.

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I considered this, but I didn't like my position -- with another limper I probably would've done it, just to make the pot worth stealing.

[Scuba Chuck]

Due to the size of your stack at this stage of the game, I'd raise some preflop, at least a mini-raise, build this pot. If you miss, and you fold post flop, no worries. But as it is, I'd like to have a decent sized pot to try and take down.

On the flop. I think the word "push" should cross your mind, but the pot is so small. Whatever you do, don't raise an amount that's too small. Raise an amount that looks like you're trying to 'buy' the pot, so you get some looney with A9 to push you allin. I think a little more than 2 x pot should do the trick. Maybe 200-225 raise. Whatever happens before the turn, you should welcome an allin. I wouldn't be surprised if you get played with hands like TT, 77, 66, A9, 9T, and two clubs.

On the turn, if you're called with that big of a raise, the only tricky card for you will be a club, don't worry about overcards.

[pooh74]

yeah i cant believe this thread got so many replies before raising pf came up...I understand the aversion to JJ around here, but cmon...