the lesson we keep on teaching - don't limp with AA

whiskeytown · #1 11-15-2005, 04:29 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

CO (t1390)
Hero (t1540)
SB (t1910)
BB (t2140)
UTG (t1410)
UTG+1 (t1480)
MP1 (t1470)
MP2 (t1980)
MP3 (t1650)

Preflop: Hero is Button with <snip, snip>
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, 2 folds, CO calls t20, Hero calls t20, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t140) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB bets t100, UTG raises to t300, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, CO folds, Hero raises to t860, SB folds, BB folds, UTG raises to t1390, Hero calls t530.

Turn: (t3020) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t3020) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t3020

Results in white below: 
UTG has Ac Ah (one pair, aces).
Hero has 2c 2s (three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins t3020.

#2 11-15-2005, 04:34 AM

What? Don't we all want to play AA with 6 others in the pot? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

JeanieJ · #3 11-15-2005, 04:35 AM

That's pretty bad considering he had all those limpers. Not raising is just asking for trouble.

Nh

yvesaint · #4 11-15-2005, 04:38 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP2 (t4135)
MP3 (t3345)
CO (t4290)
Button (t2190)
Hero (t4450)
BB (t2165)
UTG (t9030)
UTG+1 (t1260)
MP1 (t2135)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 3 folds, CO raises to t60, 2 folds, BB calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30.

Flop: (t195) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (t195) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.

River: (t195) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets t2105 (All-In), UTG+1 folds, CO calls t2105.

Final Pot: t4405

Results in white below: 
BB has Jh 2c (straight, ace high).
CO has Ad Ac (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: BB wins t4405.

Annulus · #5 11-15-2005, 04:38 AM

There is no lesson here. Even if he raises to 60-100, there is a good chance that some of the limpers call and you call. I know I like to flop sets early when blinds are low. Cards happen.

JeanieJ · #6 11-15-2005, 04:40 AM

Now that's a good one

whiskeytown · #7 11-15-2005, 04:55 AM

but he will get SOME out.

In that case, he'd have most likely gotten me out - not only would it cost more, but I'd probably lose 2 or 3 of the guys that gave me pot odds.

Granted he was UTG, but it hadn't been a very aggressive table - I think he could have pushed it a little bit and gotten a long way.

RB

#8 11-15-2005, 09:49 AM

Never limp with aces!

PokerStars (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of 50. Button posts a blind of 50. SB posts a blind of 50. UTG posts a blind of 50. MP posts a blind of 50.
1 fold, MP (poster) calls 800, 2 folds, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop (t3000): A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 1600, MP calls 1600, SB folds.

Turn (t6200): Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets 2400, Hero raises to 8800, MP calls 6384 (All-In).

River (t23468): 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot:

Results in white below: 
Hero has 3c 2c (flush, ace high).
MP has As Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 23468.

betgo · #9 11-15-2005, 09:50 AM

The problem was not the limp. It was not folding on the flop. In this case 22 would hve probably called a raise, and it would be harder to get away from AA in a raised pot.

A lot of cases late in a tournament, people are always raising limpers. Sometimes I will limpraise with AK or JJ and limp/call with AA in those situations.

#10 11-15-2005, 09:51 AM

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There is no lesson here. Even if he raises to 60-100, there is a good chance that some of the limpers call and you call. I know I like to flop sets early when blinds are low. Cards happen.

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I agree with this. You SHOULD have raised but I think the pocket twos still call and you still go broke.