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whiskeytown 11-15-2005 04:29 AM

the lesson we keep on teaching - don\'t limp with AA
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

CO (t1390)
Hero (t1540)
SB (t1910)
BB (t2140)
UTG (t1410)
UTG+1 (t1480)
MP1 (t1470)
MP2 (t1980)
MP3 (t1650)

Preflop: Hero is Button with <snip, snip>
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls t20, Hero calls t20, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t140) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t300</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t860</font>, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t1390</font>, Hero calls t530.

Turn: (t3020) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t3020) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t3020

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has Ac Ah (one pair, aces).
Hero has 2c 2s (three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins t3020. </font>

11-15-2005 04:34 AM

Re: the lesson we keep on teaching - don\'t limp with AA
 
What? Don't we all want to play AA with 6 others in the pot? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

JeanieJ 11-15-2005 04:35 AM

Re: the lesson we keep on teaching - don\'t limp with AA
 
That's pretty bad considering he had all those limpers. Not raising is just asking for trouble.

Nh

yvesaint 11-15-2005 04:38 AM

Re: the lesson we keep on teaching - don\'t limp with AA
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP2 (t4135)
MP3 (t3345)
CO (t4290)
Button (t2190)
Hero (t4450)
BB (t2165)
UTG (t9030)
UTG+1 (t1260)
MP1 (t2135)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30.

Flop: (t195) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (t195) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.

River: (t195) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t2105 (All-In)</font>, UTG+1 folds, CO calls t2105.

Final Pot: t4405

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Jh 2c (straight, ace high).
CO has Ad Ac (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: BB wins t4405. </font>

Annulus 11-15-2005 04:38 AM

Re: the lesson we keep on teaching - don\'t limp with AA
 
There is no lesson here. Even if he raises to 60-100, there is a good chance that some of the limpers call and you call. I know I like to flop sets early when blinds are low. Cards happen.

JeanieJ 11-15-2005 04:40 AM

Re: the lesson we keep on teaching - don\'t limp with AA
 
Now that's a good one

whiskeytown 11-15-2005 04:55 AM

Re: the lesson we keep on teaching - don\'t limp with AA
 
but he will get SOME out.

In that case, he'd have most likely gotten me out - not only would it cost more, but I'd probably lose 2 or 3 of the guys that gave me pot odds.


Granted he was UTG, but it hadn't been a very aggressive table - I think he could have pushed it a little bit and gotten a long way.

RB

11-15-2005 09:49 AM

Re: the lesson we keep on teaching - don\'t limp with AA
 
Never limp with aces!

PokerStars (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of 50. Button posts a blind of 50. SB posts a blind of 50. UTG posts a blind of 50. MP posts a blind of 50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP (poster) calls 800, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop (t3000): A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets 1600</font>, MP calls 1600, SB folds.

Turn (t6200): Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets 2400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to 8800</font>, MP calls 6384 (All-In).

River (t23468): 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot:

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 3c 2c (flush, ace high).
MP has As Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 23468. </font>

betgo 11-15-2005 09:50 AM

Re: the lesson we keep on teaching - don\'t limp with AA
 
The problem was not the limp. It was not folding on the flop. In this case 22 would hve probably called a raise, and it would be harder to get away from AA in a raised pot.

A lot of cases late in a tournament, people are always raising limpers. Sometimes I will limpraise with AK or JJ and limp/call with AA in those situations.

11-15-2005 09:51 AM

Re: the lesson we keep on teaching - don\'t limp with AA
 
[ QUOTE ]
There is no lesson here. Even if he raises to 60-100, there is a good chance that some of the limpers call and you call. I know I like to flop sets early when blinds are low. Cards happen.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree with this. You SHOULD have raised but I think the pocket twos still call and you still go broke.


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