Raise to 5X BB w/ AA and get 3 callers......your post flop play????

[cfb1739]

Pacific Poker NL 400 (6 max)

Only read on villain: He is a super donk who has no business playing NL 400

CO ($461.91)
Villain ($224.30)
UTG ($332.33)
BB ($623.50)
SB ($169.60)
Hero ($692.03)

Hero is on the button w/ A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Preflop:

UTG calls $4, Villain calls $4, CO folds, Hero raise to $20, SB folds, BB calls $20, UTG calls $20, Villain calls $20.

Flop$82) Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, CO checks, Villains bets $25, Hero calls $25, BB folds, CO folds

Turn: ($132) 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Villain bets $25, Hero calls $25

River: ($182) 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Villain checks, Hero checks

Results:

Villains shows Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero has black aces and wins pot.

OK, I'm not sure I like my line here, but when I get 3 callers to my $20 raise I go into caution mode.

My reasoning:

Villain could have any hand here, so I can't rule out 9s, 7s or even 97s. QQ is unlikely, but you never know with a donk like this.

I thought if he had a weak holding then he would fold to a big raise (I actually think a minraise might be in line here, even though I never do it). If he has me beat, then I'm building a big pot that I'm going to lose. So I decide to call.

How do you play this to extract maximum value?

What is your play on the river?

I think I played this was to weak, but when I get 3 callers I usually shut down.

All thoughts appreciated.

[Rockatansky]

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Flop$82) Q 9 7

BB checks, CO checks, Villains bets $25, Hero calls $25, BB folds, CO folds

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Are you sure there's only one donkey in this hand?

[Malachii]

That's not very nice at all Rock.

As to the OP, I'd be concerned about making it too cheap for JT to draw out on me here. I would raise the flop to $80.

[cfb1739]

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Flop$82) Q 9 7

BB checks, CO checks, Villains bets $25, Hero calls $25, BB folds, CO folds

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Are you sure there's only one donkey in this hand?

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LOL. No, but I've been raising frequently with a wide range of hands (not garbage though). So it's entirely possilbe they think I'm full of ****.

[amoeba]

all the more reason to raise, no?

[cfb1739]

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all the more reason to raise, no?

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Good point.

[Rockatansky]

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Flop$82) Q 9 7

BB checks, CO checks, Villains bets $25, Hero calls $25, BB folds, CO folds

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Are you sure there's only one donkey in this hand?

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LOL. No, but I've been raising frequently with a wide range of hands (not garbage though). So it's entirely possilbe they think I'm full of ****.

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Good. Now it's time to take advantage of your image by raising this flop.

On the plus side, I think you extracted close to the max given Villain's holding and the scary board. I just think you could and should have extracted on the flop rather than slowplaying all the way to the river, where you can't even value bet due to the super connected board.

[Snag]

There's roughly $80 dollars in this pot on an extraoordinarily draw heavy board. You call $25?

Raise him to $80ish on the flop, and if he comes back at you - you can make the decision then.

Don't just give up when you have AA on the flop - at least make an effort.

[cfb1739]

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There's roughly $80 dollars in this pot on an extraoordinarily draw heavy board. You call $25?

Raise him to $80ish on the flop, and if he comes back at you - you can make the decision then.

Don't just give up when you have AA on the flop - at least make an effort.

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Wouldn't someone on a draw bet bigger as a semi-bluff to try to win the pot right there?

If I raise the flop to $80 and get called, what do I do on the turn?

Additionally, because he is bad, he could be making this bet with just a pair of queens, a pair of nines or some other marginal hand that will fold to a substantial raise.

[amoeba]

what you do on the turn depends entirely on what he does on the turn.

you have position.

frequently people bet these amounts on a draw because 1, you probably won't call with Ace high, 2, it acts like a blocking bet to where they see a turn for cheaper than if you were to bet the flop.

your opponent might very well make this bet with a pair but with a pair, he is still drawing against your AA and he has 5 outs. you also want to drive guys behind you out.

if you just call the flop and somebody calls after you, if somebody else comes alive on the turn, it could make things very difficult.