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Old 07-24-2005, 01:24 AM
jph0424 jph0424 is offline
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Default Always follow the Clarkmeister Theorem?

Villain in the hand is 43/12/1.8 over 120 hands.

10/20 6max
Hero is in the big blind with Kh Ks

PF: UTG(Villain) raises all fold to sb who 3 bets, I cap and both call.

Flop: Kd Qd 8h
sb checks, I bet, Villain Raises, sb folds, I 3 bet Villain calls

Turn: 9d
I bet Villain calls

River: Jd completing the 4 flush and 4 straight
I bet Villain Raises I????

Any comments appreciated.
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Old 07-24-2005, 01:48 AM
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Default Re: Always follow the Clarkmeister Theorem?

call it, you lose a lot but every once in a while hes a moron
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Old 07-24-2005, 02:29 AM
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Default Re: Always follow the Clarkmeister Theorem?

The only time I bet this river is when I can fold to a raise. If opponent is sane, fold. Board is just as scary to him as to you.

If you feel like opponent is capable of raising without a flush or straight, then you should check the river.
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Old 07-24-2005, 02:45 AM
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Default Re: Always follow the Clarkmeister Theorem?

^ Beat me to it

Against this guy, you have to call this raise now, so you should've checked
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Old 07-24-2005, 02:53 AM
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Default Re: Always follow the Clarkmeister Theorem?

I dislike this kind of reasoning but agree with the suggested line in this case.
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Old 07-24-2005, 02:54 AM
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Default Re: Always follow the Clarkmeister Theorem?

i like a check/call on the river i think because i hate folding to a river raise when i could have shown it down for the same price.
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Old 07-24-2005, 03:09 AM
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Default Re: Always follow the Clarkmeister Theorem?

Check/calling top set just makes me feel dirty. I know the board got real ugly but don't you think villain pays off with a number of hands I have beat AK, AQ, KQ, QQ, KJ, QJ, JJ. Obviously seeing a raise gives me a really tough decision but I don't think I like checking top set.
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Old 07-24-2005, 03:28 AM
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Default Re: Always follow the Clarkmeister Theorem?

IMO you have to bet this river. He's not going to have a diamond or 10 that often since he 3-bet preflop and most of the high diamonds are on the board.

Once he raises, it gets tough. I still call it just because the opponent is unknown, the pot is humongous, and you'll see a desperate bluffing nutcase once in a while here (though not often at all). Better reads would definitely help a lot.
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Old 07-24-2005, 09:48 AM
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Default Results

Results:

I thought about it for the entire 30 seconds, then folded like a girl and had him show me As Kc for TPTK and I feel like an idiot.
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Old 07-24-2005, 10:08 AM
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Default Re: Results

Next time check-call.
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