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jph0424 07-24-2005 01:24 AM

Always follow the Clarkmeister Theorem?
 
Villain in the hand is 43/12/1.8 over 120 hands.

10/20 6max
Hero is in the big blind with Kh Ks

PF: UTG(Villain) raises all fold to sb who 3 bets, I cap and both call.

Flop: Kd Qd 8h
sb checks, I bet, Villain Raises, sb folds, I 3 bet Villain calls

Turn: 9d
I bet Villain calls

River: Jd completing the 4 flush and 4 straight
I bet Villain Raises I????

Any comments appreciated.

etizzle 07-24-2005 01:48 AM

Re: Always follow the Clarkmeister Theorem?
 
call it, you lose a lot but every once in a while hes a moron

geormiet 07-24-2005 02:29 AM

Re: Always follow the Clarkmeister Theorem?
 
The only time I bet this river is when I can fold to a raise. If opponent is sane, fold. Board is just as scary to him as to you.

If you feel like opponent is capable of raising without a flush or straight, then you should check the river.

wheelz 07-24-2005 02:45 AM

Re: Always follow the Clarkmeister Theorem?
 
^ Beat me to it

Against this guy, you have to call this raise now, so you should've checked

etizzle 07-24-2005 02:53 AM

Re: Always follow the Clarkmeister Theorem?
 
I dislike this kind of reasoning but agree with the suggested line in this case.

irishpint 07-24-2005 02:54 AM

Re: Always follow the Clarkmeister Theorem?
 
i like a check/call on the river i think because i hate folding to a river raise when i could have shown it down for the same price.

jph0424 07-24-2005 03:09 AM

Re: Always follow the Clarkmeister Theorem?
 
Check/calling top set just makes me feel dirty. I know the board got real ugly but don't you think villain pays off with a number of hands I have beat AK, AQ, KQ, QQ, KJ, QJ, JJ. Obviously seeing a raise gives me a really tough decision but I don't think I like checking top set.

tizim 07-24-2005 03:28 AM

Re: Always follow the Clarkmeister Theorem?
 
IMO you have to bet this river. He's not going to have a diamond or 10 that often since he 3-bet preflop and most of the high diamonds are on the board.

Once he raises, it gets tough. I still call it just because the opponent is unknown, the pot is humongous, and you'll see a desperate bluffing nutcase once in a while here (though not often at all). Better reads would definitely help a lot.

jph0424 07-24-2005 09:48 AM

Results
 
Results:

I thought about it for the entire 30 seconds, then folded like a girl and had him show me As Kc for TPTK and I feel like an idiot.

kapw7 07-24-2005 10:08 AM

Re: Results
 
Next time check-call.


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