repost of the collusion hands

party36master · #1 03-18-2005, 01:05 AM

Hopefully this post is easier to follow.
I lost $95 when 2 folks colluded. I complained to party. I'll let you know what I hear back.

These hands were played in order.

Hand 1:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ raises, 2 folds, MP2 calls, CO :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ caps, MP2 calls, CO :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
colluder 1 bets, MP2 folds, colluder 2 raises, colluder 1 3-bets, colluder 2 caps, colluder 1 calls.

Turn: (10.66 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
colluder 1 bets, colluder 2 raises, colluder 1 3-bets, colluder 2 caps, colluder 1 calls.

River: (18.66 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
colluder 1 bets, colluder 2 raises, colluder 1 3-bets, colluder 2 folds.

Final Pot: 23.66 BB

Results in white below: 
colluder 1 doesn't show.
Outcome: colluder 1 wins 23.66 BB. 

Hand 2:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ caps, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ calls.

Flop: (17.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
colluder 1 bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, colluder 2 raises, colluder 1 3-bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, colluder 2 caps, colluder 1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (15.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
colluder 1 bets, MP2 calls, colluder 2 raises, colluder 1 3-bets, MP2 folds, colluder 2 caps, colluder 1 calls.

River: (24.16 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
colluder 1 bets, colluder 2 raises, colluder 1 3-bets, colluder 2 caps, colluder 1 calls.

Final Pot: 32.16 BB

Results in white below: 
colluder 1 has Qh 2s (three of a kind, twos).
colluder 2 has 5s 6s (two pair, sixes and fives).
Outcome: colluder 1 wins 32.16 BB. 

Hand 3:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ raises, 4 folds, BB :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ 3-bets, UTG calls, MP2 :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ caps, BB :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
colluder 1 bets, UTG calls, colluder 2 raises, colluder 1 3-bets, UTG calls, colluder 2 calls.

Turn: (10.66 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
colluder 1 checks, UTG bets, colluder 2 calls, colluder 1 calls.

River: (13.66 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
colluder 1 bets, UTG calls, colluder 2 raises, colluder 1 3-bets, UTG folds, colluder 2 caps, colluder 1 calls.

Final Pot: 22.66 BB

Results in white below: 
colluder 1 has 4h Qh (full house, sevens full of fours).
colluder 2 has 3d 9c (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: colluder 1 wins 22.66 BB. 

Hand 4:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ raises, 4 folds, SB :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ 3-bets, 1 fold, MP1 :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ caps, SB :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
colluder 1 bets, colluder 2 raises, colluder 1 3-bets, colluder 2 caps, colluder 1 calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
colluder 1 bets, colluder 2 raises, colluder 1 3-bets, colluder 2 caps, colluder 1 calls.

River: (16.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
colluder 1 bets, colluder 2 raises, colluder 1 3-bets, colluder 2 folds.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB

Results in white below: 
colluder 1 doesn't show.
Outcome: colluder 1 wins 21.50 BB. 

Hand 5:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ raises, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+2 :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ caps, MP1 calls, Button :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, colluder 2 bets, MP1 calls, colluder 1 raises, BB calls, colluder 2 3-bets, MP1 calls, colluder 1 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (14.16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, colluder 2 bets, MP1 calls, colluder 1 calls, BB calls.

River: (18.16 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, colluder 2 bets, MP1 calls, colluder 1 raises, BB calls, colluder 2 3-bets, MP1 calls, colluder 1 caps, colluder 2 calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 32.16 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Qd Qs (one pair, queens).
colluder 2 has Tc Js (two pair, jacks and tens).
MP1 has Jd Ah (one pair, jacks).
colluder 1 has 4h 8h (high card, jack).
Outcome: colluder 2 wins 32.16 BB. 

Hand 6:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, CO :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ raises, 2 folds, BB :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ 3-bets, Hero calls, CO :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ caps, BB :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
colluder 2 bets, Hero raises, colluder 1 calls, colluder 2 3-bets, Hero calls, colluder 1 calls.

Turn: (10.66 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
colluder 2 bets, Hero folds, colluder 1 raises, colluder 2 3-bets, colluder 1 caps, colluder 2 calls.

River: (18.66 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
colluder 2 bets, colluder 1 raises, colluder 2 3-bets, colluder 1 caps, colluder 2 calls.

Final Pot: 26.66 BB

Results in white below: 
colluder 2 has 6h Tc (flush, king high).
colluder 1 has 8d Js (flush, king high).
Outcome: colluder 1 wins 26.66 BB. 

Hand 7:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ raises, MP3 3-bets, 2 folds, SB :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ caps, 1 fold, MP2 :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
colluder 2 bets, colluder 1 raises, MP3 3-bets, colluder 2 caps, colluder 1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
colluder 2 checks, colluder 1 checks, MP3 bets, colluder 2 calls, colluder 1 calls.

River: (15.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
colluder 2 checks, colluder 1 bets, MP3 raises, colluder 2 calls, colluder 1 calls.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB

Results in white below: 
colluder 2 has 4s Qs (one pair, fours).
colluder 1 has 2c 9d (flush, king high).
MP3 has Ks Ad (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP3 wins 21.50 BB. 

Hand 8: Ok, I played like a total moron. I had collusion induced tilt.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+2 :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ 3-bets, 3 folds, Button :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ caps, 2 folds, Hero calls, UTG+2 :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, colluder 1 raises, colluder 2 3-bets, Hero calls, colluder 1 caps, colluder 2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12.66 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, colluder 1 bets, colluder 2 raises, Hero calls, colluder 1 3-bets, colluder 2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (21.66 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, colluder 1 bets, colluder 2 raises, Hero calls, colluder 1 3-bets, colluder 2 caps, Hero calls, colluder 1 folds.

Final Pot: 32.66 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kc Qd (high card, king).
CO doesn't show.
colluder 2 has Td Js (straight, jack high).
Outcome: colluder 2 wins 32.66 BB.

disjunction · #2 03-18-2005, 01:09 AM

See my analysis of hands 1-3 in the original thread. I could be wrong, but to me they either look like terrible players or terrible colluders.

GrandmaStabone · #3 03-18-2005, 01:14 AM

Wow, at first I thought you were just whining, but thats inconceivable.

beta1607 · #4 03-18-2005, 01:36 AM

If hand 3 isnt colluding then I couldnt imagin what is.

Go Blue · #5 03-18-2005, 02:04 AM

Hmm...I would be very interested in knowing what responce you got from Party. Can you post it?

bernie · #6 03-18-2005, 04:56 PM

[ QUOTE ]
If hand 3 isnt colluding then I couldnt imagin what is.

[/ QUOTE ]

When you have 2 maniacs going at each other, some hands will look like this. Welcome to multiple maniac games. Notice this pattern is regardless of what they hold in other hands. Just in this hand they happen to be especially light.

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theRealMacoy · #7 03-18-2005, 06:07 AM

interesting post...

hand 3 seems particularly rank.
i still would have to agree thay you could make some $ with players like these, if you have the guts to stand on your premium hands.

i would love to see the response you get from Party. Post it when/if it comes through.

cheers,
the Real Macoy

cardcounter0 · #8 03-18-2005, 11:48 AM

Every one seems focused on Hand 3, but what about Hand 5?

On the river, with two other players still in and his partner with two pairs, the maniac raises and caps on a 3T2J7 board with 84.
[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Peter_rus · #9 03-18-2005, 12:17 PM

It seems like stupidness - not a collusion.

Quad fours · #10 03-18-2005, 12:18 PM

If you suspect collusion, why are you still playing in that game? Collusion shouldn't cause you to tilt. It should cause you to hit the "leave table" button.