repost of the collusion hands
 

Hopefully this post is easier to follow.
I lost $95 when 2 folks colluded. I complained to party. I'll let you know what I hear back.

These hands were played in order.

Hand 1:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ caps</font>, MP2 calls, CO :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 bets</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 caps</font>, colluder 1 calls.

Turn: (10.66 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 caps</font>, colluder 1 calls.

River: (18.66 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 3-bets</font>, colluder 2 folds.

Final Pot: 23.66 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
colluder 1 doesn't show.
Outcome: colluder 1 wins 23.66 BB. </font>

Hand 2:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ caps</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ calls.

Flop: (17.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 3-bets</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 caps</font>, colluder 1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (15.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 3-bets</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 caps</font>, colluder 1 calls.

River: (24.16 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 caps</font>, colluder 1 calls.

Final Pot: 32.16 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
colluder 1 has Qh 2s (three of a kind, twos).
colluder 2 has 5s 6s (two pair, sixes and fives).
Outcome: colluder 1 wins 32.16 BB. </font>

Hand 3:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ caps</font>, BB :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, colluder 2 calls.

Turn: (10.66 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
colluder 1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, colluder 2 calls, colluder 1 calls.

River: (13.66 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 3-bets</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 caps</font>, colluder 1 calls.

Final Pot: 22.66 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
colluder 1 has 4h Qh (full house, sevens full of fours).
colluder 2 has 3d 9c (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: colluder 1 wins 22.66 BB. </font>

Hand 4:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ caps</font>, SB :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 caps</font>, colluder 1 calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 caps</font>, colluder 1 calls.

River: (16.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 3-bets</font>, colluder 2 folds.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
colluder 1 doesn't show.
Outcome: colluder 1 wins 21.50 BB. </font>

Hand 5:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ raises</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ caps</font>, MP1 calls, Button :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 raises</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, colluder 1 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (14.16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 bets</font>, MP1 calls, colluder 1 calls, BB calls.

River: (18.16 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 raises</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 caps</font>, colluder 2 calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 32.16 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Qd Qs (one pair, queens).
colluder 2 has Tc Js (two pair, jacks and tens).
MP1 has Jd Ah (one pair, jacks).
colluder 1 has 4h 8h (high card, jack).
Outcome: colluder 2 wins 32.16 BB. </font>

Hand 6:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ caps</font>, BB :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, colluder 1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, colluder 1 calls.

Turn: (10.66 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 bets</font>, Hero folds, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 caps</font>, colluder 2 calls.

River: (18.66 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 caps</font>, colluder 2 calls.

Final Pot: 26.66 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
colluder 2 has 6h Tc (flush, king high).
colluder 1 has 8d Js (flush, king high).
Outcome: colluder 1 wins 26.66 BB. </font>

Hand 7:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ caps</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 caps</font>, colluder 1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
colluder 2 checks, colluder 1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, colluder 2 calls, colluder 1 calls.

River: (15.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
colluder 2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, colluder 2 calls, colluder 1 calls.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
colluder 2 has 4s Qs (one pair, fours).
colluder 1 has 2c 9d (flush, king high).
MP3 has Ks Ad (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP3 wins 21.50 BB. </font>

Hand 8: Ok, I played like a total moron. I had collusion induced tilt.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button :#A500AF(colluder 2)/ caps</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, UTG+2 :#A500AF(colluder 1)/ calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 caps</font>, colluder 2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12.66 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 3-bets</font>, colluder 2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (21.66 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colluder 2 caps</font>, Hero calls, colluder 1 folds.

Final Pot: 32.66 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Kc Qd (high card, king).
CO doesn't show.
colluder 2 has Td Js (straight, jack high).
Outcome: colluder 2 wins 32.66 BB. </font>

Re: repost of the collusion hands
 

See my analysis of hands 1-3 in the original thread. I could be wrong, but to me they either look like terrible players or terrible colluders.

Re: repost of the collusion hands
 

Wow, at first I thought you were just whining, but thats inconceivable.

Re: repost of the collusion hands
 

If hand 3 isnt colluding then I couldnt imagin what is.

Re: repost of the collusion hands
 

Hmm...I would be very interested in knowing what responce you got from Party. Can you post it?

Re: repost of the collusion hands
 

interesting post...

hand 3 seems particularly rank.
i still would have to agree thay you could make some $ with players like these, if you have the guts to stand on your premium hands.

i would love to see the response you get from Party. Post it when/if it comes through.

cheers,
the Real Macoy

Re: repost of the collusion hands
 

Every one seems focused on Hand 3, but what about Hand 5?

On the river, with two other players still in and his partner with two pairs, the maniac raises and caps on a 3T2J7 board with 84.
[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: repost of the collusion hands
 

It seems like stupidness - not a collusion.

Re: repost of the collusion hands
 

If you suspect collusion, why are you still playing in that game? Collusion shouldn't cause you to tilt. It should cause you to hit the "leave table" button.

Re: repost of the collusion hands
 

Yeah, I agree with the others. It could be a case of players playing badly, but it looks a lot like colluders who don't know what they're doing.

It looks like their strategy - if you can call it that - is just to try to drive everyone else out of the pot, unless one of them actually picks up a hand.

You just don't see people capping the river with 8 and 9 high on 3/6, and to see two people doing it within a couple of hands of each other is pretty suspicious - as if they didn't care if they lost, as long as they lost to each other.

If they are colluding, they're losing money, and I'm not sure I wouldn't mind sitting with them, even if I knew they were sharing cards.

Which isn't to say you shouldn't have reported them. I'll be curious to see what Party says.