Pokerstars $215 NLHE Hand

[Toro]

I'm looking for opinions on this hand from yesterday's Pokerstars $215 NLHE Tourney. I just got moved to this table and didn't know this guy from Adam. In the BB with 66. Would you fold, call with the intention of pushing after a raggedy flop or re-raise all-in?

> *********** # 179 **************
> PokerStars Game #927803377: Tournament #3534457, Hold'em No Limit - Level
> XIV (2000/4000) - 2004/12/05 - 20:12:51 (ET)
> Table '3534457 131' Seat #5 is the button
> Seat 1: Sirius Sat. (37542 in chips)
> Seat 2: sharp (58946 in chips)
> Seat 3: Raki (11360 in chips)
> Seat 4: A123 (35335 in chips)
> Seat 5: maxypaxy (10316 in chips)
> Seat 6: AKAKAK (37434 in chips)
> Seat 7: Toro85 (39242 in chips)
> Seat 8: ggyy3366 (33256 in chips)
> Seat 9: bolsans (20226 in chips)
> Sirius Sat.: posts the ante 200
> sharp: posts the ante 200
> Raki: posts the ante 200
> A123: posts the ante 200
> maxypaxy: posts the ante 200
> AKAKAK: posts the ante 200
> Toro85: posts the ante 200
> ggyy3366: posts the ante 200
> bolsans: posts the ante 200
> AKAKAK: posts small blind 2000
> Toro85: posts big blind 4000
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to Toro85 [6c 6d]
> ggyy3366: folds
> bolsans: folds
> Sirius Sat.: folds
> sharp: folds
> Raki: folds
> A123: raises 11130 to 15130
> maxypaxy: folds
> AKAKAK: folds
> Toro85: ???????

[woodguy]

Since he is in a steal position and with you having him outstacked I think the best play is to push back all in PF and maximize your FE, showing him you are willing to bet the tourney on the hand.

I think Stop & Go's are best used when you have no FE, and you want to represent a hand.

In this case you have a hand and FE, so I'd get all my chips in the middle.

EDIT:my guess is that if he wanted action he would have bet less PF (probably a min-raise), and if he had a hand to play for all his chips he would have pushed PF (if he's aware of his stack size implications).....with all that said he showed AA right [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Regards,
Woodguy

[mntbikr15]

I agree with the push. At this point you have to make something happen, and this seems as good a spot as any.

Woodguy, either Im brain dead at the moment, or totatlly ignorant(prob a combination of the two), but what is this "FE" that u speak of?

[MLG]

folding equity

[woodguy]

FE=Folding Equity

Just gettin fancy [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Regards,
Woodguy

[Toro]

Well, I guess it's unanimous. Exactly what I was thinking, folding equity. Unfortunately, the opponent wasn't a player and didn't know enough to fold Q7s. Don't alert the bad beat police because it wasn't a bad beat only a bad call that did me in. Here's the rest of the hand.

> Toro85: raises 23912 to 39042 and is all-in
> A123: calls 20005 and is all-in
> *** FLOP *** [3c 4d Td]
> *** TURN *** [3c 4d Td] [As]
> *** RIVER *** [3c 4d Td As] [Qh]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> Toro85: shows [6c 6d] (a pair of Sixes)
> A123: shows [Qs 7s] (a pair of Queens)
> A123 collected 74070 from pot
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 74070 | Rake 0
> Board [3c 4d Td As Qh]
> Seat 1: Sirius Sat. folded before Flop (didn't bet)
> Seat 2: sharp folded before Flop (didn't bet)
> Seat 3: Raki folded before Flop (didn't bet)
> Seat 4: A123 showed [Qs 7s] and won (74070) with a pair of Queens
> Seat 5: maxypaxy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
> Seat 6: AKAKAK (small blind) folded before Flop
> Seat 7: Toro85 (big blind) showed [6c 6d] and lost with a pair of Sixes
> Seat 8: ggyy3366 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
> Seat 9: bolsans folded before Flop (didn't bet)
>

[DVC Calif]

I swear...RiverStars and the "Miracles on 5th Street" always amaze me.

Good push, poor call by villain.

Steve

[Prime Time]

You made the correct play, and as it turned out you lost a coinflip.
Just a note, If you did stop and go, you would have lived another day.
I probably would have played it the same as you.

[partygirluk]

I was just wondering, how much FE do you have? He has to call 23,000 to win 50,000 should he be laying much down there? Obviously I agree he should lay down Q7, but how about if he had a more normal steal like

i) 77
ii) 33
iv) A7s
v) AJo

Which of these are folds?

[Toro]

[ QUOTE ]
You made the correct play, and as it turned out you lost a coinflip.
Just a note, If you did stop and go, you would have lived another day.
I probably would have played it the same as you.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah the stop and go would have worked but I only really considered it until after as a 2nd guess of myself because, well, it would have worked.