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Old 03-30-2005, 10:20 AM
digdeep digdeep is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines

I dont' like the checkraise for the aforementioned reasons, particularly you lose the call from the BB. I think the checkraise and cap on the flop completely kills any action you might get on the turn and the river; is this a good thing?

What about slowyplaying the flop and coming alive on the turn? Is this a more profitable line? Are you losing bets in the long-run? I.e.
Flop - bet call
Turn - bet, raise, raise, raise.
River - Bet, raise

Curious what people think of this line? Too risky to miss bets? Are you concerned about being drawn out on to the flush or boat?
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Old 03-30-2005, 10:23 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines

the problem is that oop a raise on the end could be a free play, and a stop 'n' go could kill the action. it might not, but it's prolly not worth it to try.

with position, you can do things like smooth call a 3-bet and raise again on the turn.
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Old 03-30-2005, 10:29 AM
Chris Dow Chris Dow is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines

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I dont' like the checkraise for the aforementioned reasons, particularly you lose the call from the BB. I think the checkraise and cap on the flop completely drys up any action you might get on the turn and the river; is this a good thing?

What about slowyplaying the flop and coming alive on the turn? Is this a more profitable line? Are you losing bets in the long-run? I.e.
Flop - bet call
Turn - bet, raise, raise, raise.
River - Bet, raise

Curious what people think of this line? Too risky to miss bets? Are you concerned about being drawn out on to the flush or boat?

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Yeah this post is getting at what the point of initially posting was. Aside from realizing why cr on the flop is bad, I am still curious if anyone thinks I should dodge a scenario that caps the flop and go for something later. Like if I lead flop, bb does whatever, ep raises, now I just call instead of 3 betting looking to go for something on the flop? I wasn't in favor of that here because of the positional difficulty, is that generally how you guys would make that decision? Thus if I led and got raised I would go 3 and then lead? Would I lead if I got capped on the flop?
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Old 03-30-2005, 10:31 AM
ErrantNight ErrantNight is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines

yeah, because your position sucks. you'd like to go to war on every street, and you want to make it easy for the guy caught in between to call bets.

it's not worth slowing up because it's just as likely to kill your action as fast-playing will, and if you do go to war on a later street, you might drive out a donk that's caught in the middle and drawing thin.

change your position... sure
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