2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

River: (7.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Anyone even suggest thinking about another line here?

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

I would raise preflop. I would bet the flop too, why go for the checkraise when noone might even bet?

After that it's all elementary.

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

Looks fine to me. You will get raised @ river if he hits a runner runner flush, what do you do then .. call or fold [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

I have the Kc in my hand, if he has the actc or acjc he gets an extra bet. Raise preflop seems completely unnecessary and I would argue bad. It is not for value vs this EP limper. His hand is better than mine and I have no fold equity and I'm oop.

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

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I have the Kc in my hand, if he has the actc or acjc he gets an extra bet. Raise preflop seems completely unnecessary and I would argue bad. It is not for value vs this EP limper. His hand is better than mine and I have no fold equity and I'm oop.

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If you had said he was a tight limper that would make a difference. I assumed an unknown since you gave no reads. Against an unknown openlimping UTG+1 I am raising this every time.

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

raise that flop

raise that preflop

raise yourself on the turn. you have the nuts

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

Is that good though einbert? What are you accomplishing. Ok, force out the bb. (maybe) Build a pot. (Ok?) Start teaching him preflop that you have a big hand so that he will fold on the flop? (This seems like the most valid reason to me) Just exploring the thought process of the pf raise here. I was very comfortable calling. It also appears as if my deception collected me a lot of extra bets. Any considerations to the value of that when deciding between call and raise preflop?

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

get it headsup and increase your chances of taking it down

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

I assume we are all in agreement that the pf raise is far from guaranteed to get it hu. Does it really increase your chances of taking it down? Can you estimate by how much?

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

that's hard to estimate. 3 handed though you probably have the best hand

besides, you flopped the nuts