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Old 08-15-2005, 12:37 AM
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Default Party skins with new update of Zonealarm - Anyone else?

A couple days ago, I updated my firewall (zonealarm).
Now when starting up a party skin, I get a warning pop-up that the app. is trying to track mouse movements, and would I like to prevent it from doing so? I figure why not. Party probably does enough snooping (and I'm not running pokeredge or other banned software).
The only noticable effect is that I can no longer chat. I see others chat, but mine is blocked. Strange?
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Old 08-15-2005, 12:39 AM
bozlax bozlax is offline
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Default Re: Party skins with new update of Zonealarm - Anyone else?

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I get a warning pop-up that the app. is trying to track mouse movements

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No wonder Party, et al., are so freaking slow.
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Old 08-15-2005, 12:45 AM
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Default Re: Party skins with new update of Zonealarm - Anyone else?

please post back if you have any problems because of that.
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Old 08-15-2005, 05:52 AM
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Default Re: Party skins with new update of Zonealarm - Anyone else?

They might use mouse movements to generate random data in order to make sure the dealing of cards is truly random.

Just a hunch...
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Old 08-15-2005, 07:47 AM
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Default Re: Party skins with new update of Zonealarm - Anyone else?

worst hunch ever
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Old 08-15-2005, 08:10 AM
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Default Re: Party skins with new update of Zonealarm - Anyone else?

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worst hunch ever

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Pokerstars does use mousemovements to generate their random numbers
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Old 08-15-2005, 08:18 AM
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Default Re: Party skins with new update of Zonealarm - Anyone else?

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worst hunch ever

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Pokerstars does use mousemovements to generate their random numbers

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owned.
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Old 08-15-2005, 08:25 AM
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Default Re: Party skins with new update of Zonealarm - Anyone else?

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worst hunch ever

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Pokerstars does use mousemovements to generate their random numbers

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A) Do you have a reference for this (not that I don't believe you, just interested)?

B) Does OP now have the same problem with ZoneAlarm and PokerStars?
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Old 08-15-2005, 10:50 AM
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Default Re: Party skins with new update of Zonealarm - Anyone else?

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B) Does OP now have the same problem with ZoneAlarm and PokerStars?

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I haven't played stars since the upgrade. I'll report back when/if I do.
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Old 08-15-2005, 11:11 AM
AngusThermopyle AngusThermopyle is offline
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Default Re: Party skins with new update of Zonealarm - Anyone else?

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A) Do you have a reference for this (not that I don't believe you, just interested)?



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http://www.pokerstars.com/security.html

which says in part:

--Quote--

SHUFFLE

"Anyone who considers arithmetic methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin." - John von Neumann, 1951

We understand that a use of a fair and unpredictable shuffle algorithm is critical to our software. To ensure this and avoid major problems described in [2], we are using two independent sources of truly random data:

* user input, including summary of mouse movements and events timing, collected from client software
* true hardware random number generator developed by Intel [3], which uses thermal noise as an entropy source

Each of these sources itself generates enough entropy to ensure a fair and unpredictable shuffle.

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