J 10, flop 2 pair, last to act. raise flop or turn?

RockPile · #1 04-28-2005, 10:27 PM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB raises, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero ???

so what I am thinking at this point is if I call SB will bet out again everyone will call and I can raise the turn for more $$$ , if I raise here it will get checked around on the turn and I will have to bet and they will all call or fold.

jnh24 · #2 04-28-2005, 10:29 PM

I'd wait and raise the turn here (assuming a safe card comes).

RockPile · #3 04-28-2005, 10:48 PM

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I'd wait and raise the turn here (assuming a safe card comes).

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okay.. and then

Turn: (8.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)

now what?

Bodhi · #4 04-28-2005, 10:50 PM

I think your plan is OK. But you should wait for the turn to raise to see if it is a safe card. On this board at least one person has a straight draw. Not raising this flop gives up a little bit of value to wait for the turn where your edge will be bigger if a blank falls.

Bodhi · #5 04-28-2005, 10:51 PM

Go bonkers. Someone else might make a big hand, and there's no reason not to extract maximum value.

RockPile · #6 04-28-2005, 10:56 PM

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB raises, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

River: (11.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Personally I think I did okay raising the Flop. My feeling is the 2 pair was suspect to a made straight or draw, theonly 2 cards helping me are another 10 or J, I wanted to get as much in on the Flop as possible. If a scary card hits on the turn and I get bet into I can call down, if its my J or 10 everyone will check to me and will call me down.. if they bet to me trying to bluff I can raise so.. I dont think I lost anything by raising the flop and maybe saved myself some bets if an A or 8 or somether bad card came.

thoughts?

Bodhi · #7 04-28-2005, 10:59 PM

I think you could get a little more out of this one by waiting to raise the turn. See my reply to your original post.

SteveL91 · #8 04-28-2005, 11:37 PM

I agree with Bodhi RE. waiting for the turn to raise. The problem with raising the flop is there are no flush draws and the SB leads out; if that wasn't bad enough, the other two players call. It's the perfect opportunity to wait for the turn to potentially push a bigger edge.

ArturiusX · #9 04-28-2005, 11:44 PM

Terrible preflop call.

istewart · #10 04-28-2005, 11:47 PM

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Terrible preflop call.

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