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J 10, flop 2 pair, last to act. raise flop or turn?

Re: J 10, flop 2 pair, last to act. raise flop or turn?

I'd wait and raise the turn here (assuming a safe card comes).

Re: J 10, flop 2 pair, last to act. raise flop or turn?

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I'd wait and raise the turn here (assuming a safe card comes).

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okay.. and then

Turn: (8.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)

now what?

Re: J 10, flop 2 pair, last to act. raise flop or turn?

I think your plan is OK. But you should wait for the turn to raise to see if it is a safe card. On this board at least one person has a straight draw. Not raising this flop gives up a little bit of value to wait for the turn where your edge will be bigger if a blank falls.

Re: J 10, flop 2 pair, last to act. raise flop or turn?

Go bonkers. Someone else might make a big hand, and there's no reason not to extract maximum value.

Re: J 10, flop 2 pair, last to act. raise flop or turn? - full hand.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB raises, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

River: (11.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Personally I think I did okay raising the Flop. My feeling is the 2 pair was suspect to a made straight or draw, theonly 2 cards helping me are another 10 or J, I wanted to get as much in on the Flop as possible. If a scary card hits on the turn and I get bet into I can call down, if its my J or 10 everyone will check to me and will call me down.. if they bet to me trying to bluff I can raise so.. I dont think I lost anything by raising the flop and maybe saved myself some bets if an A or 8 or somether bad card came.

thoughts?

Re: J 10, flop 2 pair, last to act. raise flop or turn? - full hand.

I think you could get a little more out of this one by waiting to raise the turn. See my reply to your original post.

Re: J 10, flop 2 pair, last to act. raise flop or turn? - full hand.

I agree with Bodhi RE. waiting for the turn to raise. The problem with raising the flop is there are no flush draws and the SB leads out; if that wasn't bad enough, the other two players call. It's the perfect opportunity to wait for the turn to potentially push a bigger edge.

Re: J 10, flop 2 pair, last to act. raise flop or turn?

Terrible preflop call.

Re: J 10, flop 2 pair, last to act. raise flop or turn?

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Terrible preflop call.

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